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Extending or reducing beam on the water
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Has anyone tried disassembling their Wharram on the water by moving the hulls closer together for trailering or vice versa? I have seen pictures of people launching with the hulls close together…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Roger May 12, 2022.

Limber Holes
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Hi All,Little Cat (Tiki 21) has no limber holes in her bulkheads, and the plans do not mention them. Any thoughts on whether or not to drill limber holes? The boat is very dry, and there has never…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Roger Mar 20, 2018.

Man and daughter overdue on Tiki 21
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Fingers crossed they are all right.http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11773283Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ian Bamsey Jan 16, 2017.

7X7 for standing rigging?
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I'd like to redo all of my standing rigging. The plans say to use 6X7, but this seems unavailable in the US. I have found 3/16 7X7 in 316 stainless for a good price.Does anyone know if 7X7 is a…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Rogerio Martin Oct 5, 2016.

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Roger replied to Roger's discussion Extending or reducing beam on the water
"Thanks Everybody, The key insight seems to be that the beams are lashed on alternate sides so that there is a lever arm on each hull to stop it rolling over. Am doing it in a few weeks and will post pictures. Roger"
May 12, 2022
Robert Hughes replied to Roger's discussion Extending or reducing beam on the water
"Neil, I'm sure I've seen pictures of that somewhere too.  It makes perfect sense, as long as you can be sure of having flat water..."
May 12, 2022
NeilR replied to Roger's discussion Extending or reducing beam on the water
"Roger, I'm not sure where I saw this now. Possibly on this site but maybe YouTube. Anyway it was a tiki 21 While on the launching trailer the forward and aft crossbeam were lashed into position on the port side only leaving a lose overhang to…"
May 11, 2022
Ian R replied to Roger's discussion Extending or reducing beam on the water
"With the Tiki 31 there are 4 beams and the whole arrangement is not easy to set up and lash up really tight accurately ( ie keels plus or minus 3mm to centres) onshore, never mind about on the water. If anyone wanted to visit a living nightmare on…"
May 11, 2022
Roger replied to Roger's discussion Extending or reducing beam on the water
"Thanks Brad and Ian."
May 8, 2022
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Apr 22, 2022
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Extending or reducing beam on the water

Has anyone tried disassembling their Wharram on the water by moving the hulls closer together for trailering or vice versa? I have seen pictures of people launching with the hulls close together using a set of short beams, and then extending them on the water. I can't figure out how it would actually be done. Please let me know if anyone knows the secret.RogerSee More
Apr 19, 2022
Roger replied to Lovako's discussion Ply Construction
"I know from my own projects that 6mm (1/4") plywood glassed on both sides with 6oz cloth is extremely stiff and strong. I don't have any data, but would expect it to be at least as strong as 9mm ply, but is also better protected from the…"
Jan 10, 2022
Roger left a comment for Roger
"Hi Michael, Interesting to hear about the rig. I'm guessing that it performs quite a bit better than the tiki rig. I am a fan of the tiki rig for its simplicity and safety (I just built a new rig for Little Cat), but it is not a performance…"
Oct 28, 2020
Michael left a comment for Roger
"Hello Roger, Thanks for the kind words, it certainly was an arduous journey to get her on the water. The rig is from a Tornado catamaran, and has been reduced in size to approximately the same sail area as the standard Tiki 21 specs. The reason why…"
Oct 27, 2020
Roger left a comment for Michael
"HI Michael, Your new build looks amazing and the photos show that you did a really nice job putting her together. I am Roger with a Tiki 21 called "Little Cat" in San Francisco. How does she sail with the beach cat rig?"
Oct 25, 2020
Roger replied to Éric Bouvéron's discussion Enjoy the boat, enjoy the food, but my sailing skills...
"PS it is easy to oversheet the Wharram sails and kill forward momentum. Until you have 10 knots or so of true windspeed  the Wharram jib needs a nice round entry. I try and visualize the wind angle as meeting the curve around the back of the…"
May 15, 2020
Roger replied to Éric Bouvéron's discussion Enjoy the boat, enjoy the food, but my sailing skills...
"Hi Eric, Your set up looks pretty good, and your tell tales seem to be streaming OK. However, your jib luff looks slack, so you need to rig some sort of down haul and try and get your rig as tight as possible. Sailing to windward is all about the…"
May 15, 2020
Roger replied to Éric Bouvéron's discussion Tiki 21. How big is your asymmetric spinaker
"PS I see that your message was about assymetric spinnakers. My 230 sq foot doyle is an APS which has a very flat cut. The flat cut allows it too sail closer to the wind (a bit higher than a reach), but it is not good for sailing deep angles. When…"
Mar 29, 2020
Roger replied to Éric Bouvéron's discussion Tiki 21. How big is your asymmetric spinaker
"Another issue is how to measure the size of a spinnaker which is not easy because of the shape. My understanding is that it is measured as if it is a flat triangle between luff, leech and foot. This applies to the sizes I have given for my sails…"
Mar 29, 2020

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At 3:24pm on October 14, 2012, Jörg Paschen said…

Hi Roger ! 

I sure that there will be no need to shorten the rudder arms. The Vane get a small outrigger ( 15mm ply  ) which will be mounted at the back of the cabin. So the wind vane will be higher the cabin and outside the Hull. It will be a flexible construction, just mounted in need. ( straight course  longer than 45 minutes ) When I go over the Hull I will also change the the vane to opposite. When the arms get in collision  with the braked and the butterfly nut, I need to shorten them for a few mm. 

Thats the plan right now, one of many " up to now plans "

First I decided to build a additional beam on the back, and remote the van with two canvas. Now I will fix my Back Nettings in the same eyestrap which I made for the  mainsheet traveler.

I´ll will give you report, pics and vids.

 

Jorg

 

 

At 6:34pm on March 26, 2013, Rory McDougall said…

Hi Roger,

I think as long as it is as far back from the main as poss it should work OK. Maybe rig up some sort of small vane, go sailing and see what sort of interference there is.

Cheers Rory.

At 2:11pm on March 29, 2013, Rick Proven said…

Hi Roger,

That was my first message to you. I haven't sailed my Tiki 21 for 5 years. I am working on getting her back in the water and a deck tent and new trailer are on my list. I live in Manitoba, Canada and we are still in full on winter here so I have some time before sailing season. I spotted your two ads on this site so I thought I would just check and see if they were available. How much are you asking for the two items? 

From your page it looks like you have done some serious sailing in your Tiki. I have sailed on my brothers Ranger 23 from the Queen Charlotte Islands to Vancouver Island, but that is the limit of my ocean sailing.

Looking forward to your response.

Rick

At 1:57am on November 29, 2013, WaveDancer & Bella said…

I have on my Tiki 32.5  a roller furler for the jib plus about the same setup for a big flyer and It works pritty well in light winds.

At 3:27pm on August 27, 2014, Reinhard Käferböck said…

Hi Roger,

thank you very much for your response!

I did not build my Tiki by myself and I have not very much experience, so therefore my questions might be a bit amateurish ... 

How did you manage to make the piano hinge waterproof? Or did you glue it with epoxy only?

Thanks, Reinhard

At 3:37pm on August 27, 2014, Reinhard Käferböck said…

Ok,

looking forward to your photos!

By the way - your blog is very informative!

Reinhard

At 6:21am on August 28, 2014, Ian Bamsey said…

Reinhard, from your photo it looks like your hatches are two part, like the standard design, except they are not connected together by a hinge arrangement? 

Ian

At 11:24pm on April 12, 2015, Michael Dougherty said…

Hey Roger, Michael from Seattle here. I just wanted to say thanks for the awesome blog - it's amazingly helpful as I re-rig my T21. I've been puzzling over the jib sheeting angles, and your post covered it nicely. Then I was wondering "how do I make those cool soft pad eyes?", and found that post too. Thanks for all the sharing, it's much appreciated!

At 11:17pm on May 20, 2019, Steve Burrage said…

hi Roger. This will be my second summer in my Tiki 21, up here in the Vancouver, BC area. I've added a bowsprit for my small spinnaker a used gen that I got, but my question for you is about your mainsheet setup on Little Cat (love your blog and the way you've maintained and tweaked your Tiki) Last year I tried the rope traveller between the two sterns, but it didn't 'travel' very well. I see the pictures on your site, but can you tell me a bit more about it? Is there a rope that the mainsheet pulley moves along, or is it just attached to the ropes that pull it towards each hull? Also, why is the rope wrapped around the tillers?  Appreciate your time. Steve

At 4:20pm on February 11, 2020, Steve Burrage said…

That's clear; thanks so much.

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