I sure that there will be no need to shorten the rudder arms. The Vane get a small outrigger ( 15mm ply ) which will be mounted at the back of the cabin. So the wind vane will be higher the cabin and outside the Hull. It will be a flexible construction, just mounted in need. ( straight course longer than 45 minutes ) When I go over the Hull I will also change the the vane to opposite. When the arms get in collision with the braked and the butterfly nut, I need to shorten them for a few mm.
Thats the plan right now, one of many " up to now plans "
First I decided to build a additional beam on the back, and remote the van with two canvas. Now I will fix my Back Nettings in the same eyestrap which I made for the mainsheet traveler.
I think as long as it is as far back from the main as poss it should work OK. Maybe rig up some sort of small vane, go sailing and see what sort of interference there is.
That was my first message to you. I haven't sailed my Tiki 21 for 5 years. I am working on getting her back in the water and a deck tent and new trailer are on my list. I live in Manitoba, Canada and we are still in full on winter here so I have some time before sailing season. I spotted your two ads on this site so I thought I would just check and see if they were available. How much are you asking for the two items?
From your page it looks like you have done some serious sailing in your Tiki. I have sailed on my brothers Ranger 23 from the Queen Charlotte Islands to Vancouver Island, but that is the limit of my ocean sailing.
Reinhard, from your photo it looks like your hatches are two part, like the standard design, except they are not connected together by a hinge arrangement?
Hey Roger, Michael from Seattle here. I just wanted to say thanks for the awesome blog - it's amazingly helpful as I re-rig my T21. I've been puzzling over the jib sheeting angles, and your post covered it nicely. Then I was wondering "how do I make those cool soft pad eyes?", and found that post too. Thanks for all the sharing, it's much appreciated!
hi Roger. This will be my second summer in my Tiki 21, up here in the Vancouver, BC area. I've added a bowsprit for my small spinnaker a used gen that I got, but my question for you is about your mainsheet setup on Little Cat (love your blog and the way you've maintained and tweaked your Tiki) Last year I tried the rope traveller between the two sterns, but it didn't 'travel' very well. I see the pictures on your site, but can you tell me a bit more about it? Is there a rope that the mainsheet pulley moves along, or is it just attached to the ropes that pull it towards each hull? Also, why is the rope wrapped around the tillers? Appreciate your time. Steve
Hello Roger,
Thanks for the kind words, it certainly was an arduous journey to get her on the water. The rig is from a Tornado catamaran, and has been reduced in size to approximately the same sail area as the standard Tiki 21 specs. The reason why we chose this was not specifically for performance but an opportunity to recycle what is available. Also it reduced my build time by not having to build a mast and gaff.
She performs exceptionally well, the first season we had a larger head sail (more like a genoa) which made it difficult to balance sails well. The second season we had a smaller head sail made, now in ideal conditions (around 5-8 kts with calm sea she will pretty much stay on course under correct sail trim alone. Under those conditions we can beat at about 45-50 off the wind, but have not done an analysis as comprehensive as yours.
I also wanted to say thank you for your very informative blog, it has kept me and obviously others inspired to build and further improve their Tiki 21's. Keep up the good work. Cheers Michael.
Interesting to hear about the rig. I'm guessing that it performs quite a bit better than the tiki rig. I am a fan of the tiki rig for its simplicity and safety (I just built a new rig for Little Cat), but it is not a performance rig. The standard tiki jib is also a bit big for anything more then 10 - 15 knots and I am looking at trying a Star jib which will fit in the foretriangle and has battens for better sail shape. Keep posting the excellent pictures.
Roger
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I sure that there will be no need to shorten the rudder arms. The Vane get a small outrigger ( 15mm ply ) which will be mounted at the back of the cabin. So the wind vane will be higher the cabin and outside the Hull. It will be a flexible construction, just mounted in need. ( straight course longer than 45 minutes ) When I go over the Hull I will also change the the vane to opposite. When the arms get in collision with the braked and the butterfly nut, I need to shorten them for a few mm.
Thats the plan right now, one of many " up to now plans "
First I decided to build a additional beam on the back, and remote the van with two canvas. Now I will fix my Back Nettings in the same eyestrap which I made for the mainsheet traveler.
I´ll will give you report, pics and vids.
Jorg
Hi Roger,
I think as long as it is as far back from the main as poss it should work OK. Maybe rig up some sort of small vane, go sailing and see what sort of interference there is.
Cheers Rory.
Hi Roger,
That was my first message to you. I haven't sailed my Tiki 21 for 5 years. I am working on getting her back in the water and a deck tent and new trailer are on my list. I live in Manitoba, Canada and we are still in full on winter here so I have some time before sailing season. I spotted your two ads on this site so I thought I would just check and see if they were available. How much are you asking for the two items?
From your page it looks like you have done some serious sailing in your Tiki. I have sailed on my brothers Ranger 23 from the Queen Charlotte Islands to Vancouver Island, but that is the limit of my ocean sailing.
Looking forward to your response.
Rick
I have on my Tiki 32.5 a roller furler for the jib plus about the same setup for a big flyer and It works pritty well in light winds.
Hi Roger,
thank you very much for your response!
I did not build my Tiki by myself and I have not very much experience, so therefore my questions might be a bit amateurish ...
How did you manage to make the piano hinge waterproof? Or did you glue it with epoxy only?
Thanks, Reinhard
Ok,
looking forward to your photos!
By the way - your blog is very informative!
Reinhard
Reinhard, from your photo it looks like your hatches are two part, like the standard design, except they are not connected together by a hinge arrangement?
Ian
Hey Roger, Michael from Seattle here. I just wanted to say thanks for the awesome blog - it's amazingly helpful as I re-rig my T21. I've been puzzling over the jib sheeting angles, and your post covered it nicely. Then I was wondering "how do I make those cool soft pad eyes?", and found that post too. Thanks for all the sharing, it's much appreciated!
hi Roger. This will be my second summer in my Tiki 21, up here in the Vancouver, BC area. I've added a bowsprit for my small spinnaker a used gen that I got, but my question for you is about your mainsheet setup on Little Cat (love your blog and the way you've maintained and tweaked your Tiki) Last year I tried the rope traveller between the two sterns, but it didn't 'travel' very well. I see the pictures on your site, but can you tell me a bit more about it? Is there a rope that the mainsheet pulley moves along, or is it just attached to the ropes that pull it towards each hull? Also, why is the rope wrapped around the tillers? Appreciate your time. Steve
That's clear; thanks so much.
Thanks for the kind words, it certainly was an arduous journey to get her on the water. The rig is from a Tornado catamaran, and has been reduced in size to approximately the same sail area as the standard Tiki 21 specs. The reason why we chose this was not specifically for performance but an opportunity to recycle what is available. Also it reduced my build time by not having to build a mast and gaff.
She performs exceptionally well, the first season we had a larger head sail (more like a genoa) which made it difficult to balance sails well. The second season we had a smaller head sail made, now in ideal conditions (around 5-8 kts with calm sea she will pretty much stay on course under correct sail trim alone. Under those conditions we can beat at about 45-50 off the wind, but have not done an analysis as comprehensive as yours.
I also wanted to say thank you for your very informative blog, it has kept me and obviously others inspired to build and further improve their Tiki 21's. Keep up the good work. Cheers Michael.
Hi Michael,
Interesting to hear about the rig. I'm guessing that it performs quite a bit better than the tiki rig. I am a fan of the tiki rig for its simplicity and safety (I just built a new rig for Little Cat), but it is not a performance rig. The standard tiki jib is also a bit big for anything more then 10 - 15 knots and I am looking at trying a Star jib which will fit in the foretriangle and has battens for better sail shape. Keep posting the excellent pictures.
Roger
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