WHY PODS ARE NOT WIDER???

[bruno legenne]

Hello, i am about to buy a Tiki 30 and i have been looking at all the different options for a pod.

I appears that most of the pods are less wide than the space between hulls...

and i am wondering why ?

On a boat like Tiki 30 wise use of space is crucial right ?

So here is an example of a Tiki30 with the most commonly seen pod, and the 2nd photo of a tiki30 operating in thailand.

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I would definitely go for the 2nd photo... but i want to know WHY so few people take this option???

Too heavy?

too difficult or not safe enough to go to the mast/bow from the cockpit?

too much exposure to the wind?

Thanks for your comments!

[Andrés]

I suppose the reason is that the design by JWD has this shape, so if you want it wider you need to change it by yourself.

One benefit is that you can see (more or less) forward trough the canal between the pod and the cabin and have less windage.

With a pod like in the second photo, to see forward you need to watch trough the pod, so it can not be fully enclosed. In addition, this pod is very high and to me ruin the aesthetics of the boat (it doesn't help that the sides of the pod are vertical).

[bruno legenne]

Yes Andres, i agree, the pod of the second photo isn't very good looking, but this can be worked around. 

Being able to see forward is a good point, but there again, it can be worked around

I have photoshoped a picture of a tiki 30 to get a feel of what it will look and it si not bad to me:

[Andrés]

The Tiki 30 Arin had an interesting pod, that looks good to me.

[bruno legenne]

Very interesting indeed! Thank you Andres!

Do you know any way i can find more image of ARIN?

or maybe his contact?

[Brett Parker]

Hey just a thought....What are you using your boat for, world cruising or coastal? With a t30 when you load your boat up for extended cruising, you can be adding a lot of gear and weight. My boat was pretty heavy when I sailed from NZ to Tonga and that was without a pod. If you are going to build your pod, I suggest you go all out to make it as light as you possibly so you can to retain her sailing ability and agility. A really good tent is one option too. Have fun. Brett

[Andrés]

The T30 Arin was built by Nick Harris in England in 2000, and it was sailed singlehanded to the Caribean.

If I remember well, the boat was sold to someone from the United States who disposed the pod, so it does not exists anymore.

The above are the only pictures I have. I would have liked to see more and better pictures!

[patrick lennon]

A very good solution for full width pod for tiki26 applicable for Tiki 30 . I found it in I think issue 33 of polycat assoc. cheers

[bruno legenne]

woao!!! That is a beautiful one!!! Thank you Patrick

Actually my idea is to make a pod similar to this one, but with a "pop up" roof, similar to the combiVW or a shoe box. I saw that once on a 24feet monohull oday and thought it was a great idea. For sailing, you get a low windage pod with all you need for your cruise, and at the anchor, you pop up the roof and get a great ventilation, and maybe can stand up... (this have to be measured)

Additional transparent material (like dodger's window) can be fit to control the ventilation and prevent rain from entering the pod. 

That's the plan :-)

patrick lennon said:

A very good solution for full width pod for tiki26 applicable for Tiki 30 . I found it in I think issue 33 of polycat assoc. cheers

[bruno legenne]

Hey Brett, thanks for your comment. Yes you are right, weight is important... But i lack experience sailing a wharram and i have heard that you could load a wharram pretty safely ? So for your trip you felt the boat was over loaded? Were you sailing like a submarine? What is it that you feared the most?

Brett Parker said:

Hey just a thought....What are you using your boat for, world cruising or coastal? With a t30 when you load your boat up for extended cruising, you can be adding a lot of gear and weight. My boat was pretty heavy when I sailed from NZ to Tonga and that was without a pod. If you are going to build your pod, I suggest you go all out to make it as light as you possibly so you can to retain her sailing ability and agility. A really good tent is one option too. Have fun. Brett

[dave tomlinson]

the problem with a full width pod or cabin is that the hulls are flexing on the beams and so you either have to allow for that where you join the pod to the hulls or stop the flexing. I have had a wharram oro 46 where the builder rigidly fixed the hulls and beams and then built a connecting cabin and my present tiki 38 has no flex beam joins and a seperate pod, both boats worked fine but neither approach is part of the Wharram design philosophy as far as I know, but when its cold and wet it is nice to be able to get from 1 hull to the other without getting wet. Fotos of both those boats are in my photos I think

[Andrés]

The Tiki 28 (a predecessor of the Tiki 30) was designed with a pod that had a pop-up roof and beams with rigid connections. It was built by JWD as a completed boat and there were no plans for amateur construction. I think they only built 3 or 4 boats in the early nineties.

bruno legenne said:

woao!!! That is a beautiful one!!! Thank you Patrick

Actually my idea is to make a pod similar to this one, but with a "pop up" roof, similar to the combiVW or a shoe box. I saw that once on a 24feet monohull oday and thought it was a great idea. For sailing, you get a low windage pod with all you need for your cruise, and at the anchor, you pop up the roof and get a great ventilation, and maybe can stand up... (this have to be measured)

Additional transparent material (like dodger's window) can be fit to control the ventilation and prevent rain from entering the pod. 

That's the plan :-)

patrick lennon said:

A very good solution for full width pod for tiki26 applicable for Tiki 30 . I found it in I think issue 33 of polycat assoc. cheers

[bruno legenne]

Thank you guys for all your comments! Very useful

Scott Brown sent me great info too, actually he found a drawing of exactly what i want to buit: