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Hello, Does anyone know somenthing about a classic wharran called Rambling Rose wich is now abandoned close to Olhao in Portugal. Is about 42 feets.
It is a Tangaroa MK IV. Last known to be in Algarve in Sept 2009. I cannot find any other information.
Some Pictures of the boat, near Olhao, Algarve, Portugal
Did it wash up on the beach, or is it moored to something?
I am not familiar with salvage laws in Europe, but if the boat is not moored, you might be able to salvage it. Have you gone aboard to look for paperwork on the owner?
It definitely appears to be abandoned and partially picked over already.
It is just left on the beach, someone told us that probably Portugal Navy services took the boat from Isla Culatra which is a popular place for Wharrams, where it was anchored, but no sure.
I was having a look and Plywood close to top of the hulls where suffering damages probably because rain water got through the deck so there is a work to do there.
wet áreas of hulls are aparently in good conditions and the boat was towed sailing.
if it where closer to my house in Spain 300 kilómeter it could be a good Project take it "back to life" but here all related with official paper can be difficult to solve.
I felt sad about it.
I think I have the british registration number in a picture I will put it in here.
I received the following information from Scott Brown:
"You have a thread at the moment "Tangaroa Rambling Rose".
This boat was indeed towed from its mooring at Cultra by the Portuguese Navy, and the Local Authority refuses to allow the owner, who was elsewhere in the world at the time, to have the boat back, he has to prove vat has been paid first.
Unfortunately the [original] builder has since passed on, and there are no invoices proving vat paid on plywood, sails etc. that can be found.
I have written a History of the boat to the Authorities myself.
(It was built in 1991 in Plymouth, & was then named "Silent Annie").
If [anyone] on your forum is knowledgeable about the amateur nature of Wharram building and can act as a go-between for the current owner I'm sure [they] will be well appreciated and get sailing with the owner!
Please post something on your site, before treasure hunters are heading that way..."
At this time I am trying to get contact information for the owner. If anyone can help locally resolve this issue, please contact me, or post here and I will do what I can to facilitate whatever needs to be done to help the owner.
I remember several years ago (10?) when i was looking for a wharram, to contact the owner by phone and received the report and photos for Rambling Rose ... She was just arrived in Portugal . A good boat . So sad ....
Hi, the Owner is already looking for the possibility of taking Rambling Rose back to his hands.
Hello- I was down at Greenway on the River Dart the other day and could see what looked like a Tangaroa Mk IV at anchor in the middle of the river opposite the famous boathouse of the Agatha Christie residence. She had a cutter rig and reminded me of Silent Annie which I sailed on in the early nineties. I looked up "Silent Annie" again and found this.
I lost contact with the owners Steve and Ann in the mid-late nineties and made some efforts trying to trace them but with no success.
I remember Steve telling me that he had bought the boat part-built in Nottingham, from a yard near the Trent. The previous builder had died. One hull was complete and the other hull needed finishing, timber and ply came with the boat. They were from Plymouth and I think they completed the boat there.
Silent Annie had an alloy mast and a large self- furling genoa. The boat was really well-balanced and sailed very well. She sailed well on the genoa alone. Steve and Ann learned how to sail on the boat. He had a lot of small motor boat experience mainly involving night time salmon fishing exploits on the Tamar....he was someone who could turn his hand to anything, he had to as he came from a deprived background in post-war Plymouth.
However he had a heart condition and their last trip to my area was worrying to him in case he had an emergency with his heart and he said they would probably part with the boat.
I'm very sorry to hear that he has died, by the above account. He was a lovely man and told great stories.
He had a bad back from his job delivering LPG cylinders but the "compo" payments helped with the boat.
They seemed the epitome of Wharram builders to me at the time. I'm not so sure that it can be done like that now (materials too expensive, yard space too expensive, moorings too expensive) although they didn't self-build from scratch.
Whether or not Silent Annie was named after Ann I can't remember, but there was certainly a story about it, it may have been from a folksong.
It seems to me the boat will not have survived, so RIP Silent Annie and the inimitable Steve.
I know the boat that was on the Dart. It lives on the river Exe and previously on the Camel. Perhaps not the Annie.
Guess she's not the Annie, but what a picture in the river opposite that lovely place. It made my day when I looked out from the boat house. I'm currently looking for a mooring on the Dart, may settle for the Exe. The Dart is a bit upmarket; I recently have been racing a bit in a big mono (silly wobbly boats) from the Dartmouth yacht club and definitely feel it's how the other half live. They are better with spinnakers and two speed self-tailing winches than me..cos I spent xx years building a double boat (when one would have taken half the time!) C'est la vie.