Pahi 26 for sale San Francisco

[knivedaddy]

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/3770011006.html

Just thought someone here may be interested.... Looks a bit rough around the edges but may be a good starting point??

[paul anderson]

That would be a great project for someone itching to go now, go small.

[laurent]

No mast,sails,motor,trailler,still on water,lot,lot of work and money to fit it ...

[Rogerio Martin]

If I lived in California for sure buy, I like too much TIKIROAS

[Shaun]

Just chatted with the owner, for sure its rough and needs a bunch of work. One concern is the darker patches in the ply shown in photos 3 and 4. Would you guys try to look closer, with zoom, at those as well and provide an opinion?

[laurent]

Hello Shaun, normally the ply is impregnated with epoxy , there is few chance it is rotten somewhere . it seems only the deck painting is miising at some place , may be bad quality plus the dirty dust ...birds ?
Interior looks good
You will need to put it out of water, a trailler already modified, the travel cost , a place to work long time .
The original rigging is ... Original . So you need all the tiki rigging with all the superstucture, the wharram - boon conversion, remove all the paint if not good , new paint , a motor, a lot of work, and money. I got mine for the same amount but with 6 sails, trailler, motor, all equipment , cooker, gaz ... I have had to refresh painting, change for tiki rigging - cost just the main sail -
my advice is that this Pahi needs a new good owner and to navgate again in a new costume , but 3500 is still to expensive for just two hulls ,two beams, even if you have had to built them yourself it will cost you a lot more in time and money . You should cut down the price half. Or find a good another pahi or tiki in good shape ?

[laurent]

I have the wish bone and main sail, cockpit, central beam of old rigging for free now but not worth and to far for you .

[Galway Bay]

Shaun - from several thousand miles away and only from a photo this is hardly a definitive opinion. I am pretty sure this boat was offered for $5000 a year ago.

Photo 3 shows a vert. dark line. I would expect to find a void in the internal plies here holding water. Since it starts at the base of the panel it is lifting water either up from the bilge or some small damage on the keel. Not difficult to remove a strip and replace.

Photo 5 is not marine ply in the bulkhead. The oval shapes in the face ply are allowed in some [cheaper] WBP. ply. They are substituted for knots etc. in order to bring the face ply "up" to the standard. Cannot see what ply was used in the boat overall but investigation required ?

If I was looking for a boat I would talk to the owner. I think it has unfortunately [for him] very little monetary value. If I got it cheap I would continue to repair and fit it out "cheap 'n cheerful". It could give great service. There is lots of used gear / sails / masts out there. A resourceful chap could get a lot of cheap enjoyment.

 If you are  thinking new sails / rig, quality fit-out etc. then you should probably start with better quality hulls. Otherwise you may spend a lot of money on a boat that may never be worth much.

One man's very biased opinion and without even seeing the boat ! And some questions that only you can answer !

 

[Shaun]

GB, your thoughts are appreciated and they echo my own, it is always good to hear other thoughts and opinions no matter the bent.

The owner says he is open to bargaining with regards to the price however as I am currently sitting in Santa Fe, New Mexico, all options retain a significant cost in time, let alone travel and purchase dollars, so I shall let the thoughts rumble around some more and see how the world turns. If the price tanks it may be worthwhile, can only hope!

[Shaun]

My apologies Laurent, I meant to preface with your name as well :)

[Roger]

Hi Galway Bay,

A lot of douglas fir marine ply over here (US) is plugged  and looks like in the picture (at least where I buy it here in SF).

Roger

Galway Bay said:

Shaun - from several thousand miles away and only from a photo this is hardly a definitive opinion. I am pretty sure this boat was offered for $5000 a year ago.

Photo 3 shows a vert. dark line. I would expect to find a void in the internal plies here holding water. Since it starts at the base of the panel it is lifting water either up from the bilge or some small damage on the keel. Not difficult to remove a strip and replace.

Photo 5 is not marine ply in the bulkhead. The oval shapes in the face ply are allowed in some [cheaper] WBP. ply. They are substituted for knots etc. in order to bring the face ply "up" to the standard. Cannot see what ply was used in the boat overall but investigation required ?

If I was looking for a boat I would talk to the owner. I think it has unfortunately [for him] very little monetary value. If I got it cheap I would continue to repair and fit it out "cheap 'n cheerful". It could give great service. There is lots of used gear / sails / masts out there. A resourceful chap could get a lot of cheap enjoyment.

 If you are  thinking new sails / rig, quality fit-out etc. then you should probably start with better quality hulls. Otherwise you may spend a lot of money on a boat that may never be worth much.

One man's very biased opinion and without even seeing the boat ! And some questions that only you can answer !

 

[Galway Bay]

Roger - Never too late to learn !

I had always believed that these repairs to face veneers were not allowed in marine ply. So after a couple of google searches I am half right apparently. They are not allowed in BS 1088 which I am familiar with. Douglas Fir ply is commonly constructed to marine grade PS 1-95. This ply is not seen much [ if ever ] here. Douglas Fir is a fine timber and I am sure that D.F. ply is excellent.

[Roger]

Hi Galway, I didn't know about the Doug Fir standard - that's useful thanks. I don't think the Doug Fir marine ply is as good as the BS 1088 tropical hardwood - it checks like crazy.