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On Lake Päijänne (gentler winds than the Baltic Sea) I haven't had problems when sailing in early October, though I sail a bit bigger boat: Tiki 31 has four small cabins (I can almost sit upright in…"
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Double forestay: cutter, solent or side by side?
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I sail with my dad on his Tiki 31 with the Wharram wingsail schooner rig (headsail, mainsail, mizzen). When I was a kid, he had a small catamaran with a double forestay. The stays were side by side.…Continue
Started this discussion. Last reply by Finn May 6, 2022.
Boom on a Tiki 31 wingsail
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In Tiki 31 there are booms on the mainsail and the mizzen sail (Wharram wingsail). Have you folks had problems with headsail sheets getting tangled with the forward end of the mainsail boom when…Continue
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Started this discussion. Last reply by Ian R Feb 28, 2022.
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"Typically side by side forestays were used to facilitate headsail changes prior to the advent to twin track foils.
The inner headsail could be used with an integral stay. A dynema rope inside a sleeve to give a removable forestay or, if you want to…"
"That's the first time I've heard of a cat that can't be steered without a headsail. The method of tacking might be a bit different because you wouldn't be able to back a jib, but still possible. I wouldn't think…"
"Thanks, Robert.
I talked with my dad and found out that the whole second forestay conversation comes from the fact that his previous catamaran couldn't be steered at all without a headsail. Therefore he feels that we should be able to hoist a…"
"With the stays side by side, chaff could be a serious issue. Running "wing & wing" is fine, but when you have a jib on only one stay it could chaff on the other stay if it's flown on that side.
For the use you're…"
Double forestay: cutter, solent or side by side?
I sail with my dad on his Tiki 31 with the Wharram wingsail schooner rig (headsail, mainsail, mizzen). When I was a kid, he had a small catamaran with a double forestay. The stays were side by side. We've talked about having a similar installation on the Tiki as well.Later this spring I'm going to crew a Tanenui with a cutter rig. Therefore I studied sailing with the running backstays and wandered to read about double forestays, mostly about cutter rigs and solent rigs. And now I hear that the…See More
"I have been looking through my "archives" regarding this. I have an article written by P Le Maitre about his Tiki 31 Tiki Sunrise and sailing her. I sailed on this boat (c 1992) in one of the Guernsey/Jersey annual races, I think the…"
"Thank you all!
I think we'll try both: 1) sailing without a boom on the mainsail and 2) rigging a shockcord to keep the sheet from getting snagged. I'll keep you informed, but probably this won't happen before June. Our waters are…"
"Panu - just read this. If you have your wingsails cut per the plans, the mizzen will end up being a bit too baggy without the boom. The main would be fine, albeit I believe it would be a bit flatter to windward if you do have a boom. It is worth…"
"It will be interesting to know your results when you test your rig.
I have got a spare main and mizzen, both new, which I can experiment with if a better set-up is indicated.
It just occurred to me that I can use my spare mizzen as a…"
"Have you been looking at wingsails on a single -masted rig?
I"
"When I come to building my rig I will have a boom (and kicker) on the wing sail. From the photos I've seen of the boomless wing sail in action the shape on the bottom aft 1/3 of the sail is far from satisfactory. I satisfactory shape could be…"
"Thanks, Ian. Sounds like a boom/spar isn't necessary then. Got to try it. We sail on very narrow waters and tack all the time, therefore I'm worried about the aerodynamics and upwind performance.
Another idea is to have a shockcord led…"
"No mainsail "boom" on my Tiki 31, or on the Tiki 31 I sailed on before building my own boat.
I had the sailmakers cut the main without the slot for the "boom".
Since I haven't sailed one with the…"
Boom on a Tiki 31 wingsail
In Tiki 31 there are booms on the mainsail and the mizzen sail (Wharram wingsail). Have you folks had problems with headsail sheets getting tangled with the forward end of the mainsail boom when tacking or gybing? And have you solved it somehow? Sailing boomless when tacking a lot? Just running to the mast to release the sheet every now and then?There is beautiful Tiki 31 called Kagu on Facebook. In their photos and videos they sail without the mainsail boom. There is also a photo of a boomless…See More
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