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Double forestay: cutter, solent or side by side?
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I sail with my dad on his Tiki 31 with the Wharram wingsail schooner rig (headsail, mainsail, mizzen). When I was a kid, he had a small catamaran with a double forestay. The stays were side by side.…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Finn May 6.

Boom on a Tiki 31 wingsail
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In Tiki 31 there are booms on the mainsail and the mizzen sail (Wharram wingsail). Have you folks had problems with headsail sheets getting tangled with the forward end of the mainsail boom when…Continue

Tags: boom, wingsail, 31, tiki

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ian R Feb 28.

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Finn replied to Panu Väänänen's discussion Double forestay: cutter, solent or side by side?
"Typically side by side forestays were used to facilitate headsail changes prior to the advent to twin track foils. The inner headsail could be used with an integral stay. A dynema rope inside a sleeve to give a removable forestay or, if you want to…"
May 6
Robert Hughes replied to Panu Väänänen's discussion Double forestay: cutter, solent or side by side?
"That's the first time I've heard of a cat that can't be steered without a headsail.  The method of tacking might be a bit different because you wouldn't be able to back a jib, but still possible.  I wouldn't think…"
Apr 8
Panu Väänänen replied to Panu Väänänen's discussion Double forestay: cutter, solent or side by side?
"Thanks, Robert. I talked with my dad and found out that the whole second forestay conversation comes from the fact that his previous catamaran couldn't be steered at all without a headsail. Therefore he feels that we should be able to hoist a…"
Apr 7
Robert Hughes replied to Panu Väänänen's discussion Double forestay: cutter, solent or side by side?
"With the stays side by side, chaff could be a serious issue.  Running "wing & wing" is fine, but when you have a jib on only one stay it could chaff on the other stay if it's flown on that side. For the use you're…"
Apr 5
Panu Väänänen posted a discussion

Double forestay: cutter, solent or side by side?

I sail with my dad on his Tiki 31 with the Wharram wingsail schooner rig (headsail, mainsail, mizzen). When I was a kid, he had a small catamaran with a double forestay. The stays were side by side. We've talked about having a similar installation on the Tiki as well.Later this spring I'm going to crew a Tanenui with a cutter rig. Therefore I studied sailing with the running backstays and wandered to read about double forestays, mostly about cutter rigs and solent rigs. And now I hear that the…See More
Apr 5
Ian R replied to Panu Väänänen's discussion Boom on a Tiki 31 wingsail
"I have been looking through my "archives" regarding this. I have an article written by P Le Maitre about his Tiki 31  Tiki Sunrise and sailing her. I sailed on this boat (c 1992) in one of the Guernsey/Jersey annual races, I think the…"
Feb 28
Panu Väänänen replied to Panu Väänänen's discussion Boom on a Tiki 31 wingsail
"Thank you all! I think we'll try both: 1) sailing without a boom on the mainsail and 2) rigging a shockcord to keep the sheet from getting snagged. I'll keep you informed, but probably this won't happen before June. Our waters are…"
Feb 26
Jose Alberto Garibaldi replied to Panu Väänänen's discussion Boom on a Tiki 31 wingsail
"Panu - just read this. If you have your wingsails cut per the plans, the mizzen will end up being a bit too baggy without the boom. The main would be fine, albeit I believe it would be a bit flatter to windward if you do have a boom. It is worth…"
Feb 26
Ian R replied to Panu Väänänen's discussion Boom on a Tiki 31 wingsail
"It will be interesting to know your results when you test your rig. I have got a spare main and mizzen, both new, which I can experiment with if a better set-up is indicated. It just occurred to me that I can use my spare mizzen as a…"
Feb 26
Finn replied to Panu Väänänen's discussion Boom on a Tiki 31 wingsail
"Both."
Feb 25
Ian R replied to Panu Väänänen's discussion Boom on a Tiki 31 wingsail
"Have you been looking at wingsails on a single -masted  rig? I"
Feb 25
Finn replied to Panu Väänänen's discussion Boom on a Tiki 31 wingsail
"When I come to building my rig I will have a boom (and kicker) on the wing sail. From the photos I've seen of the boomless wing sail in action the shape on the bottom aft 1/3 of the sail is far from satisfactory. I satisfactory shape could be…"
Feb 24
Panu Väänänen replied to Panu Väänänen's discussion Boom on a Tiki 31 wingsail
"Thanks, Ian. Sounds like a boom/spar isn't necessary then. Got to try it. We sail on very narrow waters and tack all the time, therefore I'm worried about the aerodynamics and upwind performance. Another idea is to have a shockcord led…"
Feb 20
Ian R replied to Panu Väänänen's discussion Boom on a Tiki 31 wingsail
"No mainsail  "boom"  on my Tiki 31, or on the Tiki 31 I sailed  on before building my own boat. I had the sailmakers cut the main without the slot for the "boom". Since I haven't sailed one with the…"
Feb 20
Panu Väänänen posted a discussion

Boom on a Tiki 31 wingsail

In Tiki 31 there are booms on the mainsail and the mizzen sail (Wharram wingsail). Have you folks had problems with headsail sheets getting tangled with the forward end of the mainsail boom when tacking or gybing? And have you solved it somehow? Sailing boomless when tacking a lot? Just running to the mast to release the sheet every now and then?There is beautiful Tiki 31 called Kagu on Facebook. In their photos and videos they sail without the mainsail boom. There is also a photo of a boomless…See More
Feb 18
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