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Traditional build Amatasi?
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Hi there,I am trying to figure out if I could build a ‘traditional’ Amatasi! Traditional in the way that she is build with solid wood, no ply, (almost) no epoxy!My idea is to build the hulls klinker…Continue

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Ian R replied to Bert van Baar's discussion Traditional build Amatasi?
"Hello Bert I have been reading 'The Last Navigator' by Steve Thomas (Micronesian navigation) and the author says the voyaging canoes wa serak or waanewai are made from breadfruit tree timber lashed with coconut fibre. They have to be…"
Feb 23
Bert van Baar replied to WaveDancer & Bella's discussion Amatasi
"Hi Mick, waar woon je? Ik zit helemaal in Den Helder. Misschien een keer koffie komen drinken? groeten, Bert"
Feb 21
Bert van Baar replied to Bert van Baar's discussion Traditional build Amatasi?
"Devon, Dart river: then you must know Anton Fitzpatrick! As far as I know: our queen has no Cornish Gig! And polplar we use for wooden shoes!"
Feb 16
Ian R replied to Bert van Baar's discussion Traditional build Amatasi?
"Devon, near the River Dart, 3 miles from the sea. Took me a long time to get here (and a few £'s)! If I could build boats from the hazel or beech around me I would be even luckier but no one has worked out how to do that yet.... I have a…"
Feb 15
Bert van Baar replied to Bert van Baar's discussion Traditional build Amatasi?
"Where you live??? You are a lucky guy!!"
Feb 15
Ian R replied to Bert van Baar's discussion Traditional build Amatasi?
"Nice work Bert and thanks for the opportunity for me to think a little harder about cedar, there is always more to learn about wood. From what you say, I can't see why the species you are interested in from Costa Rica should be on any…"
Feb 15
Bert van Baar replied to WaveDancer & Bella's discussion Amatasi
"Hi Rueben, you made my think about that! Thanks for the brain wave! cheers, Bert"
Feb 15
Bert van Baar replied to Bert van Baar's discussion Traditional build Amatasi?
"Yes its Cedrella Odorata! Your wood ecyclopedia and mine stat the same story, maybe one is the translation of the other! The reason why I want to use it in Costa Rica is its abundance in nature. They tell you it is not native to the region, must be…"
Feb 14
Ian R replied to Bert van Baar's discussion Traditional build Amatasi?
"Hello Bert Is your Spanish Cedar cedrella odorata? If so it seems to be on the CITES vulnerable classification. Here are some of the other cedars: Alaska                                               Chamaecyparis nootkatensis Eastern Red          …"
Feb 14
Bert van Baar replied to Bert van Baar's discussion Traditional build Amatasi?
"Hi Ian, That last remark about the roots I have heard before, even here in the Netherlands somebody tried to sell me some; I have always regretted it not buying them. The ceder I am talking about is a light weight sort of mahogany. In Holland we…"
Feb 14
Ian R replied to Bert van Baar's discussion Traditional build Amatasi?
"Hello Bert That's very interesting, what you say about your dinghy planking and future plans. It may be true that I have been unduly influenced by my experience of Western Red Cedar. I have made lightweight joinery out of it and indeed…"
Feb 14
Bert van Baar replied to Bert van Baar's discussion Traditional build Amatasi?
"Hi Ian, thank you very much for your comment. I build many dinghies up to 14’ with 10mm cedar planking but never used cedar for framing. My idea was to use 20x60mm thick sawn framing, build together as triangles of which one side is the top…"
Feb 14
Ian R replied to Bert van Baar's discussion Traditional build Amatasi?
"Hello- I can only comment from a timber point of view, and have to say that as far as I can see cedar is unsuitable for frames and clinker planking for many reasons: it's too soft and too weak.  It's not that much better than balsa in…"
Feb 13
Bert van Baar replied to WaveDancer & Bella's discussion Amatasi
"A bit late: but did anyone build her already? I am thinking about building one as a test for a bigger one. Even thinking about building het traditionally from solid planks. whats your idea about this? Anyone? cheers, bert van Baar"
Feb 13
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Traditional build Amatasi?

Hi there,I am trying to figure out if I could build a ‘traditional’ Amatasi! Traditional in the way that she is build with solid wood, no ply, (almost) no epoxy!My idea is to build the hulls klinker with solid sawn frames where the bulkheads are. In between bulkheads some smalles frames, copper rivers, screws en sealed with polymeer-kit.because this will be a bit heavier, thought I like to use cedar for frames and planking, maybe add an extra plank to get better freeboard?What are your ideas!…See More
Feb 13
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I am:
A professional builder, I want a Wharram
What boat (s) are you building or do you own?
Open sailboats in courses in my Bootbouwschool.nl
Country, City, and State?
Netherlands, Den Helder
About me or us?
I am a teacher boatbuilding trying to find out if Wharram cats can be build traditionally to sail cargo in a project in Costa Rica.
Looking to?
Plans and maybe build a smaller version of Amatasi as try-out.
Website:
http://www.dutchwoodenboatfestival.nl

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