I am in the heart of pricing materials for my Tiki 30 #200 and although I have worked extensively with West Systems and know that many others have as well, I have a friend who is a professional boat builder who swears by System 3 and another who has used US Composites. After doing some research I found a ton of other brands that are a fraction of the price of West Systems, System 3 or MAS and although I know you get what you pay for, has anyone used a cheaper alternative with positive results?
Hallo everyone the topic of epoxy prices is never outdated, so I will add my 30 yrs of experience using a 10 gal kit of resin & hardener for $280 here in Florida. Hypoallergenic, and very little blush, but I always sand if it has set up more than a few days. I also use a two component polyurythane paint wthout primer by applying to the hard, but still uncured last sheathing coat of epoxy. And for all glue joints I use Locktite PL Premium construction adhesive - built a house and several boats in the last 15 yrs, with it.Great stuff, and the price? $80 for 12 28 oz cartridges at Lowes. I only use epoxy to sheathe the exterior, using 18 oz biaxial cloth. Guys, we're in the 21 c; Wharrams don't need West Sy, or marine ply, or stainless steel screws, anyplace where the wood (dry!) is encapsulated in a coat or two of epoxy...I use Grip Rite coated exterior screws underneath epoxy sheathing, and I only remove screws where I am going to shape and feather with the power planer. While I'm on the subject of building a ply boat in 2016 (low resale, esp if a20-40 yr old design) l need to address the subject of used sails. There are many quality used sails available, which are suitable for cruising cats - cruising means not much faster than a monohull. (our cross Atllantic time for a Tangoroa was 21 days, about the same as a similar mono...Don't try to compare yours with one of those quarter of a million $ composite showboats, because our thing is to Get It Done and be out there sailing, on a budget - right?!
Bottom line: its inefficient, way more expensive, and painful, to glue a wooden boat with epoxy in 2016; save the epoxy for where it is uniquely suited - as a sheathing and laminating resin. Picture it: you now have a gel consistency polyurethane - construction industry tested and backed by a big name - adhesive, which you can dispense using a large cartridge gun. No mixing! Put a cap on it and set it aside, and it is ready to go for your next gap-filling,STRUCTURAL paart joint. And Twelve 28 oz cartridges for $80. I have torn apart several parts I glued up 4 or 5 yrs ago, they ended up as splintered wood and hard glue. I got started using it when I read a rave review by a retired chemical engineer. I will never go back to the Gougeon method. It was new in 1975...
Does anybody out there has experience with the epoxy of the brand epodex? I had an open container and used it with a filler for some repair work. But that was recently, so no long term information yet.
dennis schneider
Hallo everyone the topic of epoxy prices is never outdated, so I will add my 30 yrs of experience using a 10 gal kit of resin & hardener for $280 here in Florida. Hypoallergenic, and very little blush, but I always sand if it has set up more than a few days. I also use a two component polyurythane paint wthout primer by applying to the hard, but still uncured last sheathing coat of epoxy. And for all glue joints I use Locktite PL Premium construction adhesive - built a house and several boats in the last 15 yrs, with it.Great stuff, and the price? $80 for 12 28 oz cartridges at Lowes. I only use epoxy to sheathe the exterior, using 18 oz biaxial cloth. Guys, we're in the 21 c; Wharrams don't need West Sy, or marine ply, or stainless steel screws, anyplace where the wood (dry!) is encapsulated in a coat or two of epoxy...I use Grip Rite coated exterior screws underneath epoxy sheathing, and I only remove screws where I am going to shape and feather with the power planer. While I'm on the subject of building a ply boat in 2016 (low resale, esp if a20-40 yr old design) l need to address the subject of used sails. There are many quality used sails available, which are suitable for cruising cats - cruising means not much faster than a monohull. (our cross Atllantic time for a Tangoroa was 21 days, about the same as a similar mono...Don't try to compare yours with one of those quarter of a million $ composite showboats, because our thing is to Get It Done and be out there sailing, on a budget - right?!
Aug 25, 2016
dennis schneider
Bottom line: its inefficient, way more expensive, and painful, to glue a wooden boat with epoxy in 2016; save the epoxy for where it is uniquely suited - as a sheathing and laminating resin. Picture it: you now have a gel consistency polyurethane - construction industry tested and backed by a big name - adhesive, which you can dispense using a large cartridge gun. No mixing! Put a cap on it and set it aside, and it is ready to go for your next gap-filling,STRUCTURAL paart joint. And Twelve 28 oz cartridges for $80. I have torn apart several parts I glued up 4 or 5 yrs ago, they ended up as splintered wood and hard glue. I got started using it when I read a rave review by a retired chemical engineer. I will never go back to the Gougeon method. It was new in 1975...
Aug 25, 2016
Gerhard Scherbaum
Does anybody out there has experience with the epoxy of the brand epodex? I had an open container and used it with a filler for some repair work. But that was recently, so no long term information yet.
Jan 25