What type of rig for my Pahi 42? - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T00:25:15Zhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/what-type-of-rig-for-my-pahi-42?id=2195841%3ATopic%3A139779&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi Dries,
Will send you a mai…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-01-17:2195841:Comment:1482862017-01-17T06:11:25.481ZGraham Anleyhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GrahamAnley
<p>Hi Dries,</p>
<p>Will send you a mail. My plans are to complete her in the next two months and sail her here in local waters this year and head to west coast of Madagascar in Aril 218.</p>
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<p>Regards Graham.</p>
<p>Hi Dries,</p>
<p>Will send you a mail. My plans are to complete her in the next two months and sail her here in local waters this year and head to west coast of Madagascar in Aril 218.</p>
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<p>Regards Graham.</p> hi Graham,
i built a 42ft in…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-01-16:2195841:Comment:1481662017-01-16T08:37:58.314ZLovakohttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Lovako
<p>hi Graham,</p>
<p>i built a 42ft in Parrow and sailed it to Madagascar in Nov 2013</p>
<p>Mail me at driesdej@gmail.com</p>
<p>Dries de Jager</p>
<p>hi Graham,</p>
<p>i built a 42ft in Parrow and sailed it to Madagascar in Nov 2013</p>
<p>Mail me at driesdej@gmail.com</p>
<p>Dries de Jager</p> I have a kutter rig, aluminiu…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-08-28:2195841:Comment:1447662016-08-28T19:50:22.126ZRalf Guenterthttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RalfGuentert
<p>I have a kutter rig, aluminium mast,staysail, and 130% genua. Works perfekt in every condition singlehanded</p>
<p>I have a kutter rig, aluminium mast,staysail, and 130% genua. Works perfekt in every condition singlehanded</p> I would not go for a crab cla…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-08-18:2195841:Comment:1447942016-08-18T05:11:17.384ZMaxim Jurgenshttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/MaximJurgens
<p>I would not go for a crab claw or other "exotic " rig until you have sufficient sailing experience to handle such rigs and are able to judge re the pro's and cons of a conventional rig . Based on your experience ,neccessities and ,lastly esthetic preferences you can then decided to re rig the boat to for example a crab claw. </p>
<p>Options for conventional rigs which you have for your P42 are quite numerous . A schooner is completely possible despite the beam layout . After all a Tiki 38…</p>
<p>I would not go for a crab claw or other "exotic " rig until you have sufficient sailing experience to handle such rigs and are able to judge re the pro's and cons of a conventional rig . Based on your experience ,neccessities and ,lastly esthetic preferences you can then decided to re rig the boat to for example a crab claw. </p>
<p>Options for conventional rigs which you have for your P42 are quite numerous . A schooner is completely possible despite the beam layout . After all a Tiki 38 ( and a Tiki 46 ) have their foremasts mounted on a plank between two crossbeams. Whether this is such a great idea I will not discuss t now but it shows that it is possible and the same could be done on your P 42 .</p>
<p>If you go for a non original rig I would pay some money to a knowledgable multihull designer who can make you the rig drawings who can give you an idea about how such a rig will work .</p>
<p>I would not use a ( second hand ) monohull rig on any cat . It never seems to work satisfactorily .</p>
<p>So that narows the choice to:</p>
<p> 1 a modern fully battened sloop ( or cutter ) rig. Pro : boat will sail well in light & average but might be a handful to handle ( reef) in bad weather with a crew of two .Not ideal off the wind ,. expensive. If you go this route choose one that allows you to drop the sail easily no matter where the wind comes from .</p>
<p> 2 Tiki sloop or cutter : For a cutter rig you need a longer mas then for a sloop . The inner fore stay would go where otherwise the main fore stay would go . You need the extra length, and'it'll be quite a bit , to create space for your main fore stay. Not ideal .I'd go for sloop . Biggest issue with a Tiki style mast is that the mast is only stayed from the top . So unlike a convenitional mast whihc you can give extra stiffness with diamond shrouds a Tiki mast needs to have sufficient strength form itself . On smaller boats this is not much of a problem but for your boat it'd likely be a faiirly massive thing . Heavy and not so easy to build or expensive to buy.</p>
<p>Tiki rig sails ,also without dedicated down wind sails , quite well off the wind. Advantage of a Tiki main is that you can drop it on any point of wind. If however you have a bimini then you'll find you need to have a boom for the mainsaill otheriwse she is nigh impossible to reef . Clambering around on a bimini in high wind conditions is unpleasant and dangerous </p>
<p>3 conventional fully battend schooner . Nice and would sail well . Expensive though and off the wind not ideal .</p>
<p>You could fly downwind sails in those conditions but they'd be small due to the short fore mast .</p>
<p>4 Tiki schooner. Tiki rig performs quite well down wind . You can add a lightweight down wind sail if desired but it would be quite small . Length& weight of the masts would be not be excessive . You could have a bimini because when seriously reducing sail area you simply drop the foresail instead of reefing . </p>
<p>Big advantage ,esspecially smaller , tiki rigs is that you can drop the sails ( in a hurry or otherwise ) without having to turn into the wind. </p>
<p>Overall I'd go for a Tiki schooner rig in your case </p>
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<p> Maxim Jurgens </p>
<p> Siam Sailing, Phuket </p>
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<p></p> Graham, hi,
Interesting that…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-08-17:2195841:Comment:1446922016-08-17T06:13:21.712ZJeremy Walkerhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/JeremyWalker
<p>Graham, hi,</p>
<p>Interesting that you are going the Oceanic Lateen route and with some experience with exotic rigs, thought I might chip in here -- I sailed from Durban to Knysna on an old wooden boat with bamboo battened (Chinese type) lug.....had a mooring in Knyna for a while before sailing west to the Atlantic. I love what Hans Klaar has done with his various craft and have taken note of what the Okeanos guys are doing here in the Pacific -- there are a few of the latest creations…</p>
<p>Graham, hi,</p>
<p>Interesting that you are going the Oceanic Lateen route and with some experience with exotic rigs, thought I might chip in here -- I sailed from Durban to Knysna on an old wooden boat with bamboo battened (Chinese type) lug.....had a mooring in Knyna for a while before sailing west to the Atlantic. I love what Hans Klaar has done with his various craft and have taken note of what the Okeanos guys are doing here in the Pacific -- there are a few of the latest creations (Polynesian voyaging double canoes) here in Auckland with a single tall mast, a Sloop rig actually, and they carry two booms. One boom is short, which is for the Bermudan main, and then they carry another much longer boom which they say is for the "crab claw" sail. They exchange mainsail and boom for reasons they know best, and have all the usual modern headsails....which is great for light wind work.</p>
<p>I see the value in having the extra mast height for the headsails, and of course there is only one spar at the leading edge of the mainsail (instead of two, when there is a vertical yard behind the mast) so think that their compromise makes sense on a purely technical level.But if the object is do away with hardware (as Hans does) by eliminating a mast track and using the yard primarily as a reefing aid, then how about an alternative compromise in having a Gunter lug dropping at the first reef points.</p> Hello Eric,
Thank you for you…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-08-16:2195841:Comment:1442872016-08-16T20:46:59.382ZGraham Anleyhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GrahamAnley
<p>Hello Eric,</p>
<p>Thank you for your reply. I am sorry to hear about your computer problems.</p>
<p>I appreciate the information and photographs. I am hoping to launch shortly in Knysna, and will be proceeding with the crabclaw design as my rigging. I already have the wooden mast made as per plan of Douglas fir, but still need to make up the spars.</p>
<p>I will post photos after our launch.</p>
<p>Kind regards,</p>
<p>Graham.</p>
<p>Hello Eric,</p>
<p>Thank you for your reply. I am sorry to hear about your computer problems.</p>
<p>I appreciate the information and photographs. I am hoping to launch shortly in Knysna, and will be proceeding with the crabclaw design as my rigging. I already have the wooden mast made as per plan of Douglas fir, but still need to make up the spars.</p>
<p>I will post photos after our launch.</p>
<p>Kind regards,</p>
<p>Graham.</p> Our computer take a bath of s…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-08-16:2195841:Comment:1442862016-08-16T16:23:33.166ZDelphine et Eric CUSANThttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/DelphineetEricCUSANT
<p>Our computer take a bath of salt water ! So that kill it ! It's the reason why I'm late for the answer.</p>
<p>Our mast is 7.50 meters long. The 2 spars are about 9.50 meters long and they have a diameter of 9 centimeters.They are 3 ply laminated. The wood is fir (Douglas is too heavy and less flexible)…</p>
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<p>Our computer take a bath of salt water ! So that kill it ! It's the reason why I'm late for the answer.</p>
<p>Our mast is 7.50 meters long. The 2 spars are about 9.50 meters long and they have a diameter of 9 centimeters.They are 3 ply laminated. The wood is fir (Douglas is too heavy and less flexible)</p>
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<p>No problem with the spars, fir can bend a lot before breaking.</p>
<p>But you have to reme,ber that polynesians have sails that can tear easily, so they use to reef before the wind become to strong.</p>
<p>I do like that and I don't have any problem.</p>
<p>Our boat had a weight of 9 tons, our sail area is 30 m2 for the mainsail and 12 m2 for the jib.</p>
<p>We easily sail between 5 and 8 kts.</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
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<p>Eric</p>
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<p></p> We are sailing around the wor…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-07-16:2195841:Comment:1436782016-07-16T18:45:46.378ZDelphine et Eric CUSANThttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/DelphineetEricCUSANT
<p>We are sailing around the world, so sometimes it's difficult to send emails. I will take photos tomorrow and give you the informations you need.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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<p>Eric</p>
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<p>We are sailing around the world, so sometimes it's difficult to send emails. I will take photos tomorrow and give you the informations you need.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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<p>Eric</p>
<p></p> Hello Eric,
Thank you for yo…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-07-04:2195841:Comment:1433722016-07-04T14:30:49.153ZGraham Anleyhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GrahamAnley
<p><br></br> Hello Eric,</p>
<p>Thank you for your reply. I have been an admirer of your red crabclaw rig ever since I saw the photos on your profile page.</p>
<p>Please could you give me some more information on your rig. I have studied your photos carefully and would appreciate information on:</p>
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<p>The height of your mast?</p>
<p>Your yellow gaff and boom spars=dimensions and what material have you used? Are they solid hardwood or laminated? How are they joined and attached to the base…</p>
<p><br/> Hello Eric,</p>
<p>Thank you for your reply. I have been an admirer of your red crabclaw rig ever since I saw the photos on your profile page.</p>
<p>Please could you give me some more information on your rig. I have studied your photos carefully and would appreciate information on:</p>
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<p>The height of your mast?</p>
<p>Your yellow gaff and boom spars=dimensions and what material have you used? Are they solid hardwood or laminated? How are they joined and attached to the base of your mast? Could you supply me a close up photo of that hardware?</p>
<p>How much do the spars bend/deflect under stronger wind conditions? </p>
<p>From the date on your photos it appears that you have had the crbclaw rig for two years now- have your experienced and material failures or excessive wear that I could learn from?</p>
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<p>I would appreciate and information and guidance you could provede?</p>
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<p>Thank you for your interest.</p>
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<p>Kind regards,</p>
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<p>Graham Anley.<br/> <cite>Delphine et Eric CUSANT said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/what-type-of-rig-for-my-pahi-42?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A143539&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2195841Comment143539"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hello,</p>
<p>A cran claw rig is very efficient, even to windward.</p>
<p>I have got one on my pahi 42.</p>
<p>The only problem is that it is a rig that nobody knows, so nobody can help you. You will have to search and try.</p>
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</blockquote> Hello,
A cran claw rig is ver…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-07-03:2195841:Comment:1435392016-07-03T17:54:20.652ZDelphine et Eric CUSANThttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/DelphineetEricCUSANT
<p>Hello,</p>
<p>A cran claw rig is very efficient, even to windward.</p>
<p>I have got one on my pahi 42.</p>
<p>The only problem is that it is a rig that nobody knows, so nobody can help you. You will have to search and try.</p>
<p>Hello,</p>
<p>A cran claw rig is very efficient, even to windward.</p>
<p>I have got one on my pahi 42.</p>
<p>The only problem is that it is a rig that nobody knows, so nobody can help you. You will have to search and try.</p>