Wharram's re-sale value - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-28T20:23:31Zhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/wharrams-resale-value?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A13722&feed=yes&xn_auth=noPeace is also uncomfortable i…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-06-07:2195841:Comment:149572010-06-07T11:55:59.000ZAnn and Neville Clementhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AnnandNevilleClement922
Peace is also uncomfortable in cold weather, so we head south where it is warm for the winter. I agree these are warm weather boats, but a friend who wintered over in the Arctic said Wharrams would be easy to insullate by just placing foam panels between the stringers. We prefer Bahamas for winter! Ann and Nev
Peace is also uncomfortable in cold weather, so we head south where it is warm for the winter. I agree these are warm weather boats, but a friend who wintered over in the Arctic said Wharrams would be easy to insullate by just placing foam panels between the stringers. We prefer Bahamas for winter! Ann and Nev A couple of years ago I saw a…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-06-07:2195841:Comment:149412010-06-07T01:58:08.000Zandy solywodahttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/andysolywoda
A couple of years ago I saw a beautiful catamaran come into the yard to do its bottom. I saw it at the dock and then later was given the nickel tour when it was on the hard. It was a Maine Cat 41 and seemed to have a lot of Wharram influence, with an open deck plan covered by a hard dodger, no deck house like the typical production cats. Of course it displaced more than a Wharram and was carrying heavy diesel power. When I looked it up to see how much it cost, I was astounded, it was around a…
A couple of years ago I saw a beautiful catamaran come into the yard to do its bottom. I saw it at the dock and then later was given the nickel tour when it was on the hard. It was a Maine Cat 41 and seemed to have a lot of Wharram influence, with an open deck plan covered by a hard dodger, no deck house like the typical production cats. Of course it displaced more than a Wharram and was carrying heavy diesel power. When I looked it up to see how much it cost, I was astounded, it was around a half million dollars. Nice boat. I'll endure my Wharram maintenance woes with a little less complaining now. I like my "twin German submarines" better anyway. Remember, "Build it yourself and save". I would think that the Wharra…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-06-06:2195841:Comment:149282010-06-06T00:44:36.000ZGORDON M MCCOYhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GORDONMMCCOY
I would think that the Wharram type boats are sort of like an E-Type Jag... a nice rig for the chosen few.. however, when it comes time to sell, then, like the E-type, the 1/10 of 1 percent of the people who are in the market to buy the Wharram, have to be in the buying mood... There are thousands / millions of boats out there, for sale, but not "special" boats... (for the chosen few with good taste...) . The boat brokers are like car salesmen/women... they have to "sell" what sells... If the…
I would think that the Wharram type boats are sort of like an E-Type Jag... a nice rig for the chosen few.. however, when it comes time to sell, then, like the E-type, the 1/10 of 1 percent of the people who are in the market to buy the Wharram, have to be in the buying mood... There are thousands / millions of boats out there, for sale, but not "special" boats... (for the chosen few with good taste...) . The boat brokers are like car salesmen/women... they have to "sell" what sells... If the standard Catalina or what-have-you plastic boat sells well then that's it. They will "adjust" their thoughts and language to either help you or not... You have to read-between-the- lines when it comes to boat brokers.... Simply a thought.... hope it helps you dismiss the nay-sayers out there and do what you really want to do....- How about an analogy, automob…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-05-28:2195841:Comment:146942010-05-28T00:21:24.000Zandy solywodahttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/andysolywoda
How about an analogy, automobiles. If you go looking for an automobile, most buy a new car or used car. How many build their own car? A new car is expensive, compared to used, but building it yourself might be the most expensive way of all. Plus, your version of car may not be to anyone's liking and it would be worth less than an ordinary car. Then you have custom cars that can sell like pieces of artwork. Something to think about when you begin building your own boat. The boatyards can order…
How about an analogy, automobiles. If you go looking for an automobile, most buy a new car or used car. How many build their own car? A new car is expensive, compared to used, but building it yourself might be the most expensive way of all. Plus, your version of car may not be to anyone's liking and it would be worth less than an ordinary car. Then you have custom cars that can sell like pieces of artwork. Something to think about when you begin building your own boat. The boatyards can order supplies at wholesale prices and organize their workforce efficiently. They can produce a boat of high quality at a lower price than a self builder. Of course these boats are designed for volume production, for charter, or for the most plural denominator. If you like creating things with your hands, then the boat you build is a pleasure to create, then you have exactly what you want, and you get a double bonus that is of value to yourself and maybe not to anyone else. If you have to sell it, the payment you get is only icing on the cake. You can build your boat and sail it too, unlike the cake. Hi all, just to advise that I…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-05-18:2195841:Comment:143132010-05-18T03:15:56.000ZNeville Saundershttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/NevilleSaunders
Hi all, just to advise that I have just sold my wharram for a figure that both the buyer and I consider fair. Both happy. Out of respect for the buyer, I cannot discuss figures, but as said, very fair to both parties. The market does seem different around the world - some places and people respect Wharrams more than others. Where to for us? Time out for a while, but I do not intend to remain boatless. Alii-Nui is a great boat, was kind to us, and if you see her out there, say Hi to the new…
Hi all, just to advise that I have just sold my wharram for a figure that both the buyer and I consider fair. Both happy. Out of respect for the buyer, I cannot discuss figures, but as said, very fair to both parties. The market does seem different around the world - some places and people respect Wharrams more than others. Where to for us? Time out for a while, but I do not intend to remain boatless. Alii-Nui is a great boat, was kind to us, and if you see her out there, say Hi to the new owners - great people, will do her proud - and I was happy to hand her over to them. Now I've the experience of th…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-05-14:2195841:Comment:142682010-05-14T20:40:09.000ZBertrand FERCOThttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BertrandFERCOT
Now I've the experience of the building of our Tiki30 and her sale 5 years after the launch I can tell you it's not the good way to get money. I'm sure, only the new owner will have the possibility to make money ( or to loose only a little) when he'll resale she.<br />
She cost me a total of about 35000Euros (without tools) and I sold she for only 30000Euros.<br />
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I used high quality plywood and brought a lot of improvements with a good finish.It's a good argument for the sale but due to the low Wharram…
Now I've the experience of the building of our Tiki30 and her sale 5 years after the launch I can tell you it's not the good way to get money. I'm sure, only the new owner will have the possibility to make money ( or to loose only a little) when he'll resale she.<br />
She cost me a total of about 35000Euros (without tools) and I sold she for only 30000Euros.<br />
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I used high quality plywood and brought a lot of improvements with a good finish.It's a good argument for the sale but due to the low Wharram market value it seems impossible to get money from your own work, and in fact the almost 3000 hours of work has been a gift for the new owner..........Perhaps with less hurry to sold she it could be possible to get a little more?<br />
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Happily, I took a lot of of pleasure and learned a lot during the building and after during the 5 years sailing.........<br />
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The fact is we live in a stupid society where very often the market value is completely disconnected from the real value : very often it's not the workers or artists which create goods which make the more money, but some resellers or speculators with only a phone or a computer are able to make a lot of money on the back of the workers.........<br />
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Bertrand Wow,
I was a little hesitant…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-04-16:2195841:Comment:138022010-04-16T18:37:25.000ZAnn and Neville Clementhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AnnandNevilleClement922
Wow,<br />
I was a little hesitant to say what I did about resale value, but I guess you have helped me feel more secure. thanks for the support. I really thank you all so much for "getting it" so easily. Keep mixing glue.<br />
Love, ann and Nev
Wow,<br />
I was a little hesitant to say what I did about resale value, but I guess you have helped me feel more secure. thanks for the support. I really thank you all so much for "getting it" so easily. Keep mixing glue.<br />
Love, ann and Nev Wow! A timely discussion inde…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-04-16:2195841:Comment:137922010-04-16T11:36:07.000ZNeville Saundershttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/NevilleSaunders
Wow! A timely discussion indeed. Thanks to all, but most of all Ann and Nev. I have my own wharram advertised for sale elsewhere on this forum, price $AUD is there. I am thinking about withdrawing her from sale, and this read may have helped me to hang onto my dreams. Ann, she is still a lovely boat, as before her pacific crossing - I just need to find time (the quarantine service inspector commented that he had seen a lot of wharrams over the years, but this one..nice, very nice). I have been…
Wow! A timely discussion indeed. Thanks to all, but most of all Ann and Nev. I have my own wharram advertised for sale elsewhere on this forum, price $AUD is there. I am thinking about withdrawing her from sale, and this read may have helped me to hang onto my dreams. Ann, she is still a lovely boat, as before her pacific crossing - I just need to find time (the quarantine service inspector commented that he had seen a lot of wharrams over the years, but this one..nice, very nice). I have been informed of a number of wharrams whose owners have indeed sold them very, very cheaply. I could easily give in and join those ranks, but if we think about a total of 25 metres of hull, and 7 years of work - I dont care what I have to do in a few years, let the others give their boats away. Then again, I found a Narai in an old internet ad that sold for over $100K US. It is a funny world, this one of boats - a lot of it is built around perceptions. Think about the America's Cup contender of a few years ago - pro built and designed, the best of everything that the elite of yachting could produce for her task - until the thing broke in half. Up until that instant, the pinnacle of boat design and construction. Wharrams, with half a century of succcess in their niche...I am sure you all understand my point - they just keep on with their designed task. Hmm, next time I get the "hippy boat" comment I will use this comparison! Excellent and well said Ann &…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-04-16:2195841:Comment:137902010-04-16T10:14:14.000ZGeminidawnhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Geminidawn
Excellent and well said Ann & Nev, you should write a book on your experiences you seem to have the Wharram philosophy down. My time as a liveaboard has yet to come. I started dreaming of the Pahi 63 when the design first came out but I couldn't afford it then so this has been in the pipeline for a while. My ideal boat started with my profession, my first build was an 8ft dinghy sold it and kept trading up. The boat I'm finishing now is a Sailwind 28 GRP Monohull with 10ft on the beam…
Excellent and well said Ann & Nev, you should write a book on your experiences you seem to have the Wharram philosophy down. My time as a liveaboard has yet to come. I started dreaming of the Pahi 63 when the design first came out but I couldn't afford it then so this has been in the pipeline for a while. My ideal boat started with my profession, my first build was an 8ft dinghy sold it and kept trading up. The boat I'm finishing now is a Sailwind 28 GRP Monohull with 10ft on the beam (someone elses abandoned project, the boat is 20 years old and hasn't seen the water yet) upon it's completeion I'll be cutting my ties with the land and moving onboard. Then and when if needed it will be sold to finance the finishing of the Pahi. It was a long journey, the countless hours of mixing grinding fibreglass and the countless rashes because of it. The trips back to college to get my qualifications to keep up with the demands of the EU and the RCD. If it wasn't for the plastic population and all the money wrapped up in fibreglass yachts I wouldn't of got here. I think now of how much more pleasnt the journey would of been if was done through building and selling Wharrams but the re-sale value wouldn't allow that.<br />
In my career I have come full circle the Pahi 63 is the biggest project I'll ever be involved in and because of it's size a lot of the work is subcontracted which leads to it's own problems, now I'm only interested in small craft. Boats I can build and sell myself up to 24ft max so you don't have to look too far to see the finishline and I don't have to wait too long inbetween paycheques. Again I would love to build something like a Tiki 21 just for the heck of it, sail it around a bit and then sell it but if I do so, it looks like I'll be doing it at a substantial loss and regardless of how much I love Wharrams that just dose not make any sense to me. Thanks Ann, Well thought. Wel…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-04-16:2195841:Comment:137892010-04-16T09:07:29.000ZBrian Gartlandhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BrianGartland
Thanks Ann, Well thought. Well said.
Thanks Ann, Well thought. Well said.