trailer loading- winch on or float on? - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T11:29:32Zhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/trailer-loading-winch-on-or-float-on?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A129117&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI am going to add a comment f…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-03-12:2195841:Comment:1499622017-03-12T20:10:48.092ZBruce Williamshttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BruceWilliams
<p>I am going to add a comment for future reference. This is cool.</p>
<p>I am going to add a comment for future reference. This is cool.</p> Maiden voyage was last Oct. …tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-03-10:2195841:Comment:1501222017-03-10T18:51:27.232Zcurt goodnighthttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/curtgoodnight
<p>Maiden voyage was last Oct. Took waaaay too long to assemble [3+ days!] BUT A] trailer hinges were too weak so I spent 8 good hours jacking and cribbing a few inches at a time whilst 'unfolding' each hull B] Flipping and moving the cockpit from my truck to final tiedown was an ungainly awkward process that ate up hours of time C] howling wind [up to 50 mph] meant the mast raising was likewise a complete rodeo- had to spread that process over 2 tense days [its sch 40 aluminum Very Not…</p>
<p>Maiden voyage was last Oct. Took waaaay too long to assemble [3+ days!] BUT A] trailer hinges were too weak so I spent 8 good hours jacking and cribbing a few inches at a time whilst 'unfolding' each hull B] Flipping and moving the cockpit from my truck to final tiedown was an ungainly awkward process that ate up hours of time C] howling wind [up to 50 mph] meant the mast raising was likewise a complete rodeo- had to spread that process over 2 tense days [its sch 40 aluminum Very Not Light!] all single handed mind you....</p>
<p>So.... since then: A] I spent a weekend with my welding guy and we doubled the rear hinges and brought the rear cradle aft of the keel for better weight distribution. That nervewracking unfolding process now takes less than 15 minutes. Another 15 minutes to set those scaffold jacks under the hinge pins B] Total rethink of cockpit positioning. My latest go here in the driveway was still a few hours but I will in the future have the cockpit 'right side up' on my truck and I feel it will cut that time in half again . C] Re mast: I now have a remote wireless control for my elec winch and , unlike that first launch , will not have to worry that the ramp will close for the week the next Monday [and indeed, close for the season the following weekend] so I'd be willling to wait out those conditions. I am also right now reworking the mast foot - I broke off most of the hinging piece so the mast kept sliding all the way into the tabernacle and would bind hard against the forward portion. </p>
<p>I am now very optimistic that I can have a trailer sailer that won't beat me [or scare me] to death - we will head for a large reservoir in a few weeks and I'll know a hella lot more.... not a weekender , mind you, but if i can launch within 2 non stressful days we can continue the plan to do several 21 day trips to various West USA spots. </p> How long does it take to laun…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-03-10:2195841:Comment:1499422017-03-10T05:52:48.171ZGary Prosthttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GaryProst
<p>How long does it take to launch with that trailer? I see you're using straps instead of lashings on the beams.</p>
<p>How long does it take to launch with that trailer? I see you're using straps instead of lashings on the beams.</p> Thank you, so much for postin…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-03-01:2195841:Comment:1495832017-03-01T16:27:50.660ZRod McLarenhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RodMcLaren
<p>Thank you, so much for posting these photos, Curt. This is inspiring. If you can do this with a Tiki 30 at 220 pounds dry weight, it should be much easier to do for the Man 24 at 990 pounds.</p>
<p>Thank you, so much for posting these photos, Curt. This is inspiring. If you can do this with a Tiki 30 at 220 pounds dry weight, it should be much easier to do for the Man 24 at 990 pounds.</p> I trailered my Tiki 30 some…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-02-28:2195841:Comment:1494852017-02-28T23:33:47.634Zcurt goodnighthttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/curtgoodnight
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<p>I trailered my Tiki 30 some 100+ miles of twisty Rocky Mountain roads and passes and launched it last October. This winter my welding buddy and I tweaked the design still further and I think we may have it right. The boat now sits more forward on the trailer which DOES have me concerned that it won't float off as easily. We have a tongue that slides out once we are launching- it adds 10' to our length and on first launch was just enough to see us float off the cradles .…</p>
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<p>I trailered my Tiki 30 some 100+ miles of twisty Rocky Mountain roads and passes and launched it last October. This winter my welding buddy and I tweaked the design still further and I think we may have it right. The boat now sits more forward on the trailer which DOES have me concerned that it won't float off as easily. We have a tongue that slides out once we are launching- it adds 10' to our length and on first launch was just enough to see us float off the cradles . I won't be surprised if our upcoming March/April launch sees me do what some of my mono hull friends do and release the tongue with a winch and allow the trailer to roll down a few more feet - the first pic shows how much the cradles were down in the water on last year's launch. </p>
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<p>These are shots of current configuration</p>
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<p>I have temporary jack stands under the pivot /hinge points of the outriggers because the trailer itself wobbles while I am up in the cockpit ...</p>
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<p>Side view- I will move the hulls rear ward about 1 foot - I think the rig now is a tad too tongue heavy and I will need all the room at launch to clear the keel past the rear roller- our first iteration had the keel on the roller but that was not well balanced on the cradles. Although this DOES worry me about the clearance to float that first pic shows that we had decent difference in the angle ... wish me luck!!</p>
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<p>an idea of scale</p>
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<p>Has there been follow-up on this trailer with the "swing out" bunks? Would sure like to see that in more detail. I was not able to see that in the photos on Scott's blog post. I have been considering the idea of bunks sliding out in a pipe inside a pipe configuration but the limitation is the height required to clear the trailer fenders results in the boat sitting high above the water. </p>
<p>Has there been follow-up on this trailer with the "swing out" bunks? Would sure like to see that in more detail. I was not able to see that in the photos on Scott's blog post. I have been considering the idea of bunks sliding out in a pipe inside a pipe configuration but the limitation is the height required to clear the trailer fenders results in the boat sitting high above the water. </p> thanks for that hint Boatsmit…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-04-30:2195841:Comment:1293362015-04-30T15:49:58.691Zcurt goodnighthttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/curtgoodnight
<p>thanks for that hint Boatsmith - i have passed it on to my builder - because we are using my existing flatbed as our "platform" [Colorado has made the paperwork/inspections for a 'scratch built' trailer a bureaucratic nightmare] it may be that we have too much width to allow us to do that- I hope it can happen- sure makes sense.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>boatsmith said:…</cite></p>
<p>thanks for that hint Boatsmith - i have passed it on to my builder - because we are using my existing flatbed as our "platform" [Colorado has made the paperwork/inspections for a 'scratch built' trailer a bureaucratic nightmare] it may be that we have too much width to allow us to do that- I hope it can happen- sure makes sense.<br/> <br/> <cite>boatsmith said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/trailer-loading-winch-on-or-float-on#2195841Comment129223"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>The trailer bunks swing out on this trailer. If the pivot tubes are angledaft at the top then when the buns swing out and back they will also swing down. This will make for easier launch ramping.</p>
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</blockquote> The trailer bunks swing out o…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-04-29:2195841:Comment:1292232015-04-29T11:08:53.376Zboatsmithhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/qe0j3ojqb10
<p>The trailer bunks swing out on this trailer. If the pivot tubes are angledaft at the top then when the buns swing out and back they will also swing down. This will make for easier launch ramping.</p>
<p>The trailer bunks swing out on this trailer. If the pivot tubes are angledaft at the top then when the buns swing out and back they will also swing down. This will make for easier launch ramping.</p> John- When Scott sold Element…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-04-26:2195841:Comment:1291172015-04-26T16:21:01.587Zcurt goodnighthttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/curtgoodnight
<p>John- When Scott sold Element , he posted pics of the trailer his buyers had constructed- we hope to use that as a design template: <a href="http://tiki26element2.blogspot.com/2013/08/element-ii-sold-last-august.html" target="_blank">http://tiki26element2.blogspot.com/2013/08/element-ii-sold-last-august.html</a></p>
<p>John- When Scott sold Element , he posted pics of the trailer his buyers had constructed- we hope to use that as a design template: <a href="http://tiki26element2.blogspot.com/2013/08/element-ii-sold-last-august.html" target="_blank">http://tiki26element2.blogspot.com/2013/08/element-ii-sold-last-august.html</a></p> Yes a trailer Ive been conte…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-04-26:2195841:Comment:1288842015-04-26T13:32:59.464Zjohn jameshttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/johnjames
<p>Yes a trailer Ive been contemplating a trailer too its come to that point! If possible could you post some pictures of your trailer construction also costs I wonder what sort of cost to to expect in building a trailer.</p>
<p>Yes a trailer Ive been contemplating a trailer too its come to that point! If possible could you post some pictures of your trailer construction also costs I wonder what sort of cost to to expect in building a trailer.</p>