TIKI 26 - ROTTEN TILLER. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN THIS CASE? - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-28T18:14:44Zhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/tiki-26-rotten-tiller-what-would-you-do-in-this-case?id=2195841%3ATopic%3A114025&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks so much, to Shaun, Pen…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-02-19:2195841:Comment:1141512014-02-19T16:31:50.515ZChris Boxerhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/ChrisBoxer
<p>Thanks so much, to Shaun, Penn, Galway Bay and Kim for such informative ideas in the previous 5 posts – I’m working on my tiller this weekend and your advice will be carefully put into practice. I realise that it takes time to write your helpful comments and I just want you to know how grateful I am. Good on you!</p>
<p>Thanks so much, to Shaun, Penn, Galway Bay and Kim for such informative ideas in the previous 5 posts – I’m working on my tiller this weekend and your advice will be carefully put into practice. I realise that it takes time to write your helpful comments and I just want you to know how grateful I am. Good on you!</p> Hey there Chris,
An addition…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-02-19:2195841:Comment:1142662014-02-19T15:20:20.352ZShaunhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Shaun
Hey there Chris,<br />
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An additional step that I do for most areas that have a bolt/rope hole is epoxy in a dowel.<br />
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Example being for a 1/4" diameter bolt, oversize the hole to 1/2" or 3/4" and glue in an oak dowel of the appropriate diameter, then drill and epoxy the 1/4" hole for the bolt.<br />
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This does a couple of things, if the bolt/rope wears away the protective coating of epoxy in the hole, moisture can only migrate as far as the edge of the dowel and with any odd movement or binding loading…
Hey there Chris,<br />
<br />
An additional step that I do for most areas that have a bolt/rope hole is epoxy in a dowel.<br />
<br />
Example being for a 1/4" diameter bolt, oversize the hole to 1/2" or 3/4" and glue in an oak dowel of the appropriate diameter, then drill and epoxy the 1/4" hole for the bolt.<br />
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This does a couple of things, if the bolt/rope wears away the protective coating of epoxy in the hole, moisture can only migrate as far as the edge of the dowel and with any odd movement or binding loading across the grain of the main piece, as Galway Bay asked, the more dense timber of the oak glued to the lighter timber gives more structural integrity to a weak point.<br />
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It is an additional step equating to extra time, however for me I don't mind as it gives some nice insurance for down the track. If the hole gets worn through the epoxy I know there should not be any moisture creeping to places I may not see.<br />
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Cheers mate,<br />
Shaun HI Chris, I would probably op…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-02-17:2195841:Comment:1141142014-02-17T02:39:46.301ZPenn Dhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/PennD
<p>HI Chris, I would probably open the split up more, even break it right off if the direction allows then I could get a good look in there clean it up/cut it back a little then fill with epoxy glue. The tape it like suggested above will guarantee it. While your at it def do both sides. Clean all the paint back on your other tiller in the same place and check to see if any cracks are appearing.Thinking about it they look like they could do with a coat of paint so it would be worth while to…</p>
<p>HI Chris, I would probably open the split up more, even break it right off if the direction allows then I could get a good look in there clean it up/cut it back a little then fill with epoxy glue. The tape it like suggested above will guarantee it. While your at it def do both sides. Clean all the paint back on your other tiller in the same place and check to see if any cracks are appearing.Thinking about it they look like they could do with a coat of paint so it would be worth while to strip them both back to bare wood to make sure there are no problems developing elsewhere, lay some tape at the stress points seal and paint again. Do that and your good to go for a good long while.</p>
<p>Penn</p> Postscript - Chris I am wonde…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-02-16:2195841:Comment:1141102014-02-16T23:13:49.611ZGalway Bayhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GalwayBay
<p>Postscript - Chris I am wondering why this split. Is the cross bar free to the limit of it's travel or does it "bind" ie. come up hard against the tiller ? This will put unfair pressure on the joint. If so the bolt hole may be slightly out of place, or the crossbar too deep. If it is free then no problem. This is only from general principles , I do not sail a Tiki myself.</p>
<p>If indeed it is binding then perhaps a Tiki sailor can advise you.</p>
<p>Postscript - Chris I am wondering why this split. Is the cross bar free to the limit of it's travel or does it "bind" ie. come up hard against the tiller ? This will put unfair pressure on the joint. If so the bolt hole may be slightly out of place, or the crossbar too deep. If it is free then no problem. This is only from general principles , I do not sail a Tiki myself.</p>
<p>If indeed it is binding then perhaps a Tiki sailor can advise you.</p> Chris I don't see any rot in…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-02-16:2195841:Comment:1141072014-02-16T22:50:39.297ZGalway Bayhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GalwayBay
<p>Chris I don't see any rot in the photo more just a split along the grain . Glue and wrap in glass cloth is good advice - and wrap the other one too to be safe.</p>
<p>Wharram used to recommend through bolting laminated tillers against splitting. A wrap of glass cloth every so often does the same job probably better and simpler.</p>
<p>Chris I don't see any rot in the photo more just a split along the grain . Glue and wrap in glass cloth is good advice - and wrap the other one too to be safe.</p>
<p>Wharram used to recommend through bolting laminated tillers against splitting. A wrap of glass cloth every so often does the same job probably better and simpler.</p> Chris, over at http://www.wes…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-02-16:2195841:Comment:1143042014-02-16T16:12:56.668Zkim whitmyrehttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/kimwhitmyre
Chris, over at <a href="http://www.westsystem.com/ss/" target="_blank">http://www.westsystem.com/ss/</a> , there are lots of good how-to articles for building or repairing using epoxies. Recommended.
Chris, over at <a href="http://www.westsystem.com/ss/" target="_blank">http://www.westsystem.com/ss/</a> , there are lots of good how-to articles for building or repairing using epoxies. Recommended. Thanks, Hans. I appreciate y…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-02-16:2195841:Comment:1142022014-02-16T12:33:17.960ZChris Boxerhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/ChrisBoxer
<p><br/>Thanks, Hans. I appreciate your comment. </p>
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<p><br/>Thanks, Hans. I appreciate your comment. </p>
<p></p> hallo cris,
that's right...…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-02-16:2195841:Comment:1142992014-02-16T08:25:32.744Zwakataiteahttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/wakataitea
<p>hallo cris,</p>
<p> that's right... i misunderstood then questions about the Plans /drawing.... sorry about this but often people ask for plans etc... so, i got rid of my pressure about this on the wrong guy... sorry for this but it is still a problem here in the forum...</p>
<p>kim gave you a good advice. everything said in many words. i made the same succession in a short form... </p>
<p>now i see that you have not clue about this kind of stuff... you should have make this more clear...…</p>
<p>hallo cris,</p>
<p> that's right... i misunderstood then questions about the Plans /drawing.... sorry about this but often people ask for plans etc... so, i got rid of my pressure about this on the wrong guy... sorry for this but it is still a problem here in the forum...</p>
<p>kim gave you a good advice. everything said in many words. i made the same succession in a short form... </p>
<p>now i see that you have not clue about this kind of stuff... you should have make this more clear... and my answer would have been different.</p>
<p>so, sorry again for my rough way. as a german, my english sounds even more rough.</p>
<p> good luck</p> Ah! Yes, that makes sense...…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-02-15:2195841:Comment:1142962014-02-15T16:50:01.504ZChris Boxerhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/ChrisBoxer
<p>Ah! Yes, that makes sense... Great, thanks Kim. </p>
<p>Ah! Yes, that makes sense... Great, thanks Kim. </p> Simple splice:tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-02-15:2195841:Comment:1141992014-02-15T16:44:43.798Zkim whitmyrehttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/kimwhitmyre
Simple splice:
Simple splice: