Tiki 21 sailing in cool? - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T07:46:38Zhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/tiki-21-sailing-in-cool?feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi Panu,Good idea to sleep in…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2023-09-13:2195841:Comment:3002332023-09-13T08:49:03.782ZGuillermohttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Guillermo
<p>Hi <a href="https://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=1dc81zqlzchd0">Panu</a>,<br></br>Good idea to sleep in the neoprene suit on deck. I wonder how many days one could be inside a neoprene suit before starts melting into the skin :)<br></br>I wonder how <a href="https://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RoryMcDougall?xg_source=activity" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Rory McDougall</a> was sleeping during the Jester Challenge crossing the Atlantic and in his…</p>
<p>Hi <a href="https://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=1dc81zqlzchd0">Panu</a>,<br/>Good idea to sleep in the neoprene suit on deck. I wonder how many days one could be inside a neoprene suit before starts melting into the skin :)<br/>I wonder how <a href="https://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RoryMcDougall?xg_source=activity" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Rory McDougall</a> was sleeping during the Jester Challenge crossing the Atlantic and in his circumnavigation aboard his "Cooking Fat" Tiki 21.</p> Moi Timo, another Finn here
O…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2023-09-13:2195841:Comment:2999732023-09-13T07:50:17.224ZPanu Väänänenhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/PanuVaeaenaenen
<p>Moi Timo, another Finn here</p>
<p>On Lake Päijänne (gentler winds than the Baltic Sea) I haven't had problems when sailing in early October, though I sail a bit bigger boat: Tiki 31 has four small cabins (I can almost sit upright in them). We haul her out around Ocotber 5th because it is nicer to prepare for winter before sub-zero temperature.</p>
<p>I guess the capacity to carry spare clothing is relevant. My only offshore trip so far was on a Wharram Tanenui (28 feet?) from Uusimaa to…</p>
<p>Moi Timo, another Finn here</p>
<p>On Lake Päijänne (gentler winds than the Baltic Sea) I haven't had problems when sailing in early October, though I sail a bit bigger boat: Tiki 31 has four small cabins (I can almost sit upright in them). We haul her out around Ocotber 5th because it is nicer to prepare for winter before sub-zero temperature.</p>
<p>I guess the capacity to carry spare clothing is relevant. My only offshore trip so far was on a Wharram Tanenui (28 feet?) from Uusimaa to Bornholm in May, in quite a chilly weather. We had only little rain during the four days sail (two nights sleeping briefly in marinas), but when we arrived, I had a lot of wet wool with me. However we had almost comically huge, warm neoprene rescue suits. They were a total overkill, but at some point I started to sleep in mine on the deck instead of crawling into my cabin and sleeping bag. But in general I agree with Ian's point about layered sailing clothing.</p>
<p>--<br/>Oh, this was an old thread that popped up. Well, it's not irrelevant.</p> Hi Brad, how were those coupl…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2023-09-08:2195841:Comment:3000442023-09-08T03:26:49.036ZGuillermohttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Guillermo
<p>Hi Brad, how were those couple of weeks aboard with low temps? Thank you<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Brad Ingram said:</cite></p>
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<p>I'm about to spend two weeks on Beto in the conditions in question. 40-60 F. I'll give you a report on it all afterwards if you want, Timo. The Tiki in 20 knots is reasonably dry if…</p>
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<p>Hi Brad, how were those couple of weeks aboard with low temps? Thank you<br/> <br/> <cite>Brad Ingram said:</cite></p>
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<p>I'm about to spend two weeks on Beto in the conditions in question. 40-60 F. I'll give you a report on it all afterwards if you want, Timo. The Tiki in 20 knots is reasonably dry if you put a reef in the main and jib. Here is an idea of it. The 21 is my favorite boat.......but I will commit blasphemy and admit that I'm getting a Corsair next!</p>
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</blockquote> Wow Brad, two weeks in 40-60°…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2018-11-20:2195841:Comment:1641012018-11-20T05:31:10.775ZTimohttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/tvaan
<p>Wow Brad, two weeks in 40-60°F (around 5-15°C)! Yes, I'm curious to read your report if you have time to write it. I'm more into plywood than fibreglass, so no Corsairs to me, please. :)</p>
<p>Wow Brad, two weeks in 40-60°F (around 5-15°C)! Yes, I'm curious to read your report if you have time to write it. I'm more into plywood than fibreglass, so no Corsairs to me, please. :)</p> I'm about to spend two weeks…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2018-11-20:2195841:Comment:1638972018-11-20T02:35:43.352ZBrad Ingramhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BradIngram
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<p>I'm about to spend two weeks on Beto in the conditions in question. 40-60 F. I'll give you a report on it all afterwards if you want, Timo. The Tiki in 20 knots is reasonably dry if you put a reef in the main and jib. Here is an idea of it. The 21 is my favorite boat.......but I will commit blasphemy and admit that I'm getting a Corsair next!</p>
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<p>I'm about to spend two weeks on Beto in the conditions in question. 40-60 F. I'll give you a report on it all afterwards if you want, Timo. The Tiki in 20 knots is reasonably dry if you put a reef in the main and jib. Here is an idea of it. The 21 is my favorite boat.......but I will commit blasphemy and admit that I'm getting a Corsair next!</p>
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<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKXdNz4lanU" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKXdNz4lanU</a></p> Well that was a few weeks bac…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2018-11-18:2195841:Comment:1639962018-11-18T20:27:28.801ZIan Bamseyhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/IanBamsey
<p>Well that was a few weeks back. It was a nice late weekend and we were lucky. I wouldn't want to be out now! </p>
<p>Well that was a few weeks back. It was a nice late weekend and we were lucky. I wouldn't want to be out now! </p> Sounds you have almost a T-sh…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2018-11-18:2195841:Comment:1639952018-11-18T13:03:40.918ZTimohttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/tvaan
<p>Sounds you have almost a T-shirt weather there still, while here it has been from 10 to 15°C colder this weekend. Tiki 21 must not have any problems in 20 kts in experienced hands. Thanks for sharing your experiences in sailing clothing. A sailing kit must be the right choice during longer trips.</p>
<p>Also, a great picture again. :)</p>
<p>Sounds you have almost a T-shirt weather there still, while here it has been from 10 to 15°C colder this weekend. Tiki 21 must not have any problems in 20 kts in experienced hands. Thanks for sharing your experiences in sailing clothing. A sailing kit must be the right choice during longer trips.</p>
<p>Also, a great picture again. :)</p> Timo,
Late season temperature…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2018-11-15:2195841:Comment:1640992018-11-15T23:11:57.201ZIan Bamseyhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/IanBamsey
<p>Timo,</p>
<p>Late season temperatures are not low especially during the day and I would look to go when it's nice. Checking the records for my final 4 day trip, the day/night temperatures were:</p>
<p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">THUR 27/9 22° /1° (This was a lovey day!)</span><br></br><span style="font-size: 8pt;">FRI 28/9 17° /5°</span><br></br><span style="font-size: 8pt;">SAT 29/9 17° /2°</span><br></br><span style="font-size: 8pt;">SUN 30/9 15° /3°</span></p>
<p>It was however, windy with 20 kts…</p>
<p>Timo,</p>
<p>Late season temperatures are not low especially during the day and I would look to go when it's nice. Checking the records for my final 4 day trip, the day/night temperatures were:</p>
<p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">THUR 27/9 22° /1° (This was a lovey day!)</span><br/><span style="font-size: 8pt;">FRI 28/9 17° /5°</span><br/><span style="font-size: 8pt;">SAT 29/9 17° /2°</span><br/><span style="font-size: 8pt;">SUN 30/9 15° /3°</span></p>
<p>It was however, windy with 20 kts at times with some swell, on occasion water over the deck. The Tiki 21 handles it very well.</p>
<p>I've seen the comment regarding kayak clothing. I think there is merit in this, but would say for multi-day trips, good sailing kit is more comfortable and easier to manage. Dry suits are great, but not as versatile as sailing kit which can be added and removed in layers as the conditions change. Sea boots are more comfortable than wet suit boots if worn for long periods. I've worn kayaking gear for week long period, and would choose my sailing gear on the my Tiki.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/135296939?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/135296939?profile=original&width=500" width="500" class="align-left"/></a></p> That's a nice picture, Ian, t…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2018-11-14:2195841:Comment:1635732018-11-14T19:48:57.676ZTimohttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/tvaan
<p>That's a nice picture, Ian, thanks for sharing it. I agree that proper camping gear is helpful and can keep you warm even in sub-zero temperatures. When you sail late in the season, what are the typical day temperatures and wind conditions? I'm just thinking of spray and cold wind.</p>
<p>That's a nice picture, Ian, thanks for sharing it. I agree that proper camping gear is helpful and can keep you warm even in sub-zero temperatures. When you sail late in the season, what are the typical day temperatures and wind conditions? I'm just thinking of spray and cold wind.</p> I regularly sleep on my Tiki…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2018-11-14:2195841:Comment:1640892018-11-14T10:31:43.691ZIan Bamseyhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/IanBamsey
<p>I regularly sleep on my Tiki 21. When sailing with two people, we use the hulls. I take a trampoline sheet so I can throw lots of kit onto the deck and cover it during the night. When I sail with the family, two adults - two kids, we sleep 2 in the hulls and 2 on deck under a tent which covers the decks and the hulls. We use camp beds to keep off the cold decks where there is a lot of condensation.</p>
<p>I've never been cold sleeping in the hulls even late in the season where night time…</p>
<p>I regularly sleep on my Tiki 21. When sailing with two people, we use the hulls. I take a trampoline sheet so I can throw lots of kit onto the deck and cover it during the night. When I sail with the family, two adults - two kids, we sleep 2 in the hulls and 2 on deck under a tent which covers the decks and the hulls. We use camp beds to keep off the cold decks where there is a lot of condensation.</p>
<p>I've never been cold sleeping in the hulls even late in the season where night time temperatures can be 5 to 10 deg C.</p>
<p><img width="737" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1877877376?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" alt="Camping" width="359" height="239"/> <img src="https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmJfGzn98aC6bT6DW21rhvkIAf-QmH4fxt6zli8IMf5G5mrnO3" alt="Image result for camp bed"/></p>