Major Epoxy Brands compared to Cheaper Alternatives - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-28T19:07:29Zhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/major-epoxy-brands-compared-to?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A47693&feed=yes&xn_auth=noBottom line: its inefficient,…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-08-25:2195841:Comment:1448332016-08-25T23:33:23.824Zdennis schneiderhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/dennisschneider
<p>Bottom line: its inefficient, way more expensive, and painful, to glue a wooden boat with epoxy in 2016; save the epoxy for where it is uniquely suited - as a sheathing and laminating resin. Picture it: you now have a gel consistency polyurethane - construction industry tested and backed by a big name - adhesive, which you can dispense using a large cartridge gun. No mixing! Put a cap on it and set it aside, and it is ready to go for your next gap-filling,STRUCTURAL paart joint. And…</p>
<p>Bottom line: its inefficient, way more expensive, and painful, to glue a wooden boat with epoxy in 2016; save the epoxy for where it is uniquely suited - as a sheathing and laminating resin. Picture it: you now have a gel consistency polyurethane - construction industry tested and backed by a big name - adhesive, which you can dispense using a large cartridge gun. No mixing! Put a cap on it and set it aside, and it is ready to go for your next gap-filling,STRUCTURAL paart joint. And Twelve 28 oz cartridges for $80. I have torn apart several parts I glued up 4 or 5 yrs ago, they ended up as splintered wood and hard glue. I got started using it when I read a rave review by a retired chemical engineer. I will never go back to the Gougeon method. It was new in 1975...</p> Hallo everyone the topic of e…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-08-25:2195841:Comment:1448902016-08-25T23:24:25.889Zdennis schneiderhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/dennisschneider
<p>Hallo everyone the topic of epoxy prices is never outdated, so I will add my 30 yrs of experience using a 10 gal kit of resin & hardener for $280 here in Florida. Hypoallergenic, and very little blush, but I always sand if it has set up more than a few days. I also use a two component polyurythane paint wthout primer by applying to the hard, but still uncured last sheathing coat of epoxy. And for all glue joints I use Locktite PL Premium construction adhesive - built a house and several…</p>
<p>Hallo everyone the topic of epoxy prices is never outdated, so I will add my 30 yrs of experience using a 10 gal kit of resin & hardener for $280 here in Florida. Hypoallergenic, and very little blush, but I always sand if it has set up more than a few days. I also use a two component polyurythane paint wthout primer by applying to the hard, but still uncured last sheathing coat of epoxy. And for all glue joints I use Locktite PL Premium construction adhesive - built a house and several boats in the last 15 yrs, with it.Great stuff, and the price? $80 for 12 28 oz cartridges at Lowes. I only use epoxy to sheathe the exterior, using 18 oz biaxial cloth. Guys, we're in the 21 c; Wharrams don't need West Sy, or marine ply, or stainless steel screws, anyplace where the wood (dry!) is encapsulated in a coat or two of epoxy...I use Grip Rite coated exterior screws underneath epoxy sheathing, and I only remove screws where I am going to shape and feather with the power planer. While I'm on the subject of building a ply boat in 2016 (low resale, esp if a20-40 yr old design) l need to address the subject of used sails. There are many quality used sails available, which are suitable for cruising cats - cruising means not much faster than a monohull. (our cross Atllantic time for a Tangoroa was 21 days, about the same as a similar mono...Don't try to compare yours with one of those quarter of a million $ composite showboats, because our thing is to Get It Done and be out there sailing, on a budget - right?!</p> There are no average Joe's bu…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-03-01:2195841:Comment:698152012-03-01T01:04:05.021ZMike Haromyhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/MikeHaromy242
<p>There are no average Joe's building boats, i think, Galway Bay. i think we all find ways to get supplies from non-retail sources. we are nothing if not resourceful, lol.</p>
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Galway Bay said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/major-epoxy-brands-compared-to?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A70023&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2195841Comment70023"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Andy thank you for your concern.</p>
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<p>There are no average Joe's building boats, i think, Galway Bay. i think we all find ways to get supplies from non-retail sources. we are nothing if not resourceful, lol.</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/major-epoxy-brands-compared-to?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A70023&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2195841Comment70023"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Andy thank you for your concern.</p>
<p>Everywhere those in power make it difficult for the workingman to make a buck the same man finds a way to outmanouvre [no spellcheck here] them. I get my supplies from a non-retail source. Nothing illegal but personal contact with a generous soul in the chemical engineering field who took an interest in my work. I pay close to US prices.</p>
<p>Without this help my boat would be in a skip long ago.</p>
<p>My concern is with the average Joe who seems to be getting screwed by the retail trade here.</p>
<p>Again the Irishman fights another man's battle but this time I think he will be forgiven.</p>
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Yo…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-03-01:2195841:Comment:698142012-03-01T00:32:00.476Zandy solywodahttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/andysolywoda
<p>G (as in Grumpy) Bay,</p>
<p> You have triumphed. As a Polack who has an Irishwoman as Safety Officer, I can commiserate.</p>
<p>G (as in Grumpy) Bay,</p>
<p> You have triumphed. As a Polack who has an Irishwoman as Safety Officer, I can commiserate.</p> Andy thank you for your conce…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-02-29:2195841:Comment:700232012-02-29T21:49:57.878ZGalway Bayhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GalwayBay
<p>Andy thank you for your concern.</p>
<p>Everywhere those in power make it difficult for the workingman to make a buck the same man finds a way to outmanouvre [no spellcheck here] them. I get my supplies from a non-retail source. Nothing illegal but personal contact with a generous soul in the chemical engineering field who took an interest in my work. I pay close to US prices.</p>
<p>Without this help my boat would be in a skip long ago.</p>
<p>My concern is with the average Joe who seems to…</p>
<p>Andy thank you for your concern.</p>
<p>Everywhere those in power make it difficult for the workingman to make a buck the same man finds a way to outmanouvre [no spellcheck here] them. I get my supplies from a non-retail source. Nothing illegal but personal contact with a generous soul in the chemical engineering field who took an interest in my work. I pay close to US prices.</p>
<p>Without this help my boat would be in a skip long ago.</p>
<p>My concern is with the average Joe who seems to be getting screwed by the retail trade here.</p>
<p>Again the Irishman fights another man's battle but this time I think he will be forgiven.</p> It would be interesting if yo…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-02-29:2195841:Comment:700182012-02-29T15:31:18.651Zandy solywodahttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/andysolywoda
<p>It would be interesting if you contacted them to see the shipping costs, I guess you must get hit with duty, VAT, or something like that. How does a business do it? Perhaps you could find a commercial source.</p>
<p><a href="http://store.raka.com/shipping-policy.aspx">http://store.raka.com/shipping-policy.aspx</a></p>
<p>It would be interesting if you contacted them to see the shipping costs, I guess you must get hit with duty, VAT, or something like that. How does a business do it? Perhaps you could find a commercial source.</p>
<p><a href="http://store.raka.com/shipping-policy.aspx">http://store.raka.com/shipping-policy.aspx</a></p> Thanks Andy
Still find it har…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-02-29:2195841:Comment:700172012-02-29T11:43:48.262ZGalway Bayhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GalwayBay
<p>Thanks Andy</p>
<p>Still find it hard to believe these prices. So I did some more virtual shopping. Ebay UK still around 200 euro!!</p>
<p>This is approx 260 US dollars. For sure someone is getting ripped off.</p>
<p>This is enough to make even Snow White grumpy !!!</p>
<p>For solvent here I use cellulose thinners as used in spray-painting. Available cheap at any Auto Shop [ motor factors ] but NOT for washing hands !! Very good,makes brushes last a reasonable time. Someone mentioned…</p>
<p>Thanks Andy</p>
<p>Still find it hard to believe these prices. So I did some more virtual shopping. Ebay UK still around 200 euro!!</p>
<p>This is approx 260 US dollars. For sure someone is getting ripped off.</p>
<p>This is enough to make even Snow White grumpy !!!</p>
<p>For solvent here I use cellulose thinners as used in spray-painting. Available cheap at any Auto Shop [ motor factors ] but NOT for washing hands !! Very good,makes brushes last a reasonable time. Someone mentioned Acetone on this site. This is only good for Polyester Resin[where it is very good] no good on Epoxy.</p>
<p>Best of luck - get back in the water soon there are too many Wharrams ashore !!</p> Ahoy Grumpy! er, Galway,
…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-02-29:2195841:Comment:700162012-02-29T00:47:56.883Zandy solywodahttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/andysolywoda
<p>Ahoy Grumpy! er, Galway,</p>
<p> I had problems with WEST due to amine blush due to working outdoors in a boatyard with a deadline and chilly Fall weather. That was maybe 7 years ago. I tried a Florida epoxy called Raka (how appropriate) that guarranteed not to blush. I used it extensively to resheath my starboard hull and have been using ever since. I don't think it is non-allergenic though, but I wash with white vinegar, wear gloves, and I am merely irritated by epoxy, not having…</p>
<p>Ahoy Grumpy! er, Galway,</p>
<p> I had problems with WEST due to amine blush due to working outdoors in a boatyard with a deadline and chilly Fall weather. That was maybe 7 years ago. I tried a Florida epoxy called Raka (how appropriate) that guarranteed not to blush. I used it extensively to resheath my starboard hull and have been using ever since. I don't think it is non-allergenic though, but I wash with white vinegar, wear gloves, and I am merely irritated by epoxy, not having any dire reactions. Will it ever be done...</p> LUCKY YOU. Epoxy at 60usd a g…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-02-29:2195841:Comment:697492012-02-29T00:34:22.619ZGalway Bayhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GalwayBay
<p>LUCKY YOU. Epoxy at 60usd a gallon. That is approx 45 euro. This is not what we pay here. For comparison I checked West on the net. for USA. In euros again about 60e. Best I found here. own-brand but marine to Lloyd's standard -112e. West system 160e. More than 2 1/2 times dearer !!! Seems where you buy is as important as which you buy. Now I understand better why so many on this site use West. My next boat I will build in Florida !!!</p>
<p>LUCKY YOU. Epoxy at 60usd a gallon. That is approx 45 euro. This is not what we pay here. For comparison I checked West on the net. for USA. In euros again about 60e. Best I found here. own-brand but marine to Lloyd's standard -112e. West system 160e. More than 2 1/2 times dearer !!! Seems where you buy is as important as which you buy. Now I understand better why so many on this site use West. My next boat I will build in Florida !!!</p> OK,
I'm moving my reply…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-02-27:2195841:Comment:697082012-02-27T02:55:49.812Zandy solywodahttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/andysolywoda
<p>OK,</p>
<p> I'm moving my reply over here because it is in response to the epoxy issue.</p>
<p> I can't and there are probably many who can't express enough regard for Ann and Nev for their example in building and sailing a large catamaran many miles and continuiing to provide support for anyone who wants to go to sea in a Wharram. But the issue of epoxy allergy has been raised, and most of the epoxy manufactures never mention this. </p>
<p> MAS has been mentioned as a low…</p>
<p>OK,</p>
<p> I'm moving my reply over here because it is in response to the epoxy issue.</p>
<p> I can't and there are probably many who can't express enough regard for Ann and Nev for their example in building and sailing a large catamaran many miles and continuiing to provide support for anyone who wants to go to sea in a Wharram. But the issue of epoxy allergy has been raised, and most of the epoxy manufactures never mention this. </p>
<p> MAS has been mentioned as a low allergic resin. It is important for any other resins that have or have not caused allergic reactions to be mentioned. I know I have some sensitivity to epoxy and will choose resins appropriately.</p>
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<p> I hope Nev's sensitivity to epoxy doesn't translate to any other problems. It goes the same to any of us working with a boat with epoxy. </p>
<p> Take care.</p>