lashing for rudder question - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T08:59:23Zhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/lashing-for-rudder-question?feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi Cliff
There are couple of…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-02-26:2195841:Comment:1149932014-02-26T01:54:32.441ZCooper Danhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Tiare
Hi Cliff<br />
There are couple of images on the link below on a homemade tool that we use to tighten the lashings.<br />
Two person job, the person on the other side is using a soft spile, piece of wood, to hold the lashing tight in place while the next section is about to be made tight.<br />
Worked from top down, not able to move or wiggle the rudder so this was the only way could make lashings tight, and they are very tight :)<br />
Overhand knot, then another behind the first.…
Hi Cliff<br />
There are couple of images on the link below on a homemade tool that we use to tighten the lashings.<br />
Two person job, the person on the other side is using a soft spile, piece of wood, to hold the lashing tight in place while the next section is about to be made tight.<br />
Worked from top down, not able to move or wiggle the rudder so this was the only way could make lashings tight, and they are very tight :)<br />
Overhand knot, then another behind the first.<br />
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<a href="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/photo/album/show?id=2195841%3AAlbum%3A18191&xg_source=activity" target="_blank">http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/photo/album/show?id=2195841%3AAlbum%3A18191&xg_source=activity</a> But wich kind of knot do you…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-02-25:2195841:Comment:1148902014-02-25T17:09:25.021ZSoLonghttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/SoLong
<p>But wich kind of knot do you tie after the last hole? Is this really a stopperknot?</p>
<p>But wich kind of knot do you tie after the last hole? Is this really a stopperknot?</p> WaveDancer said:Hello Dan…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-10-06:2195841:Comment:184612010-10-06T06:29:49.000ZCooper Danhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Tiare
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<cite>WaveDancer said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/lashing-for-rudder-question?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A18255#2195841Comment18353"><div>Hello Dan<br></br> <br></br> will you be in Phuket during January 2011? I plan to do some videoclips with WaveDancer may be we meet once. How's Alex? We'll miss Tiare once she leaves Phuket! Cheers Wave</div>
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Just anchored in Perhentians East Coast Malay. Hope to start the run down to Singapore…
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<cite>WaveDancer said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/lashing-for-rudder-question?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A18255#2195841Comment18353"><div>Hello Dan<br/> <br/>
will you be in Phuket during January 2011? I plan to do some videoclips with WaveDancer may be we meet once. How's Alex? We'll miss Tiare once she leaves Phuket! Cheers Wave</div>
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Just anchored in Perhentians East Coast Malay. Hope to start the run down to Singapore then up to Phuket arriving mid Nov'. Then up to the islands near Myanmar. Probably leave Phuket area around March 2011 back around to East coast Thailand as I have a 3 week contract near Bangkok, after that would like to make it to Palawan in Philippines. But thats a bit far out to plan.<br />
Would love to catch up with you!<br />
last I heard Alex is fine, has done a few charters with Full Steam.<br />
Cheers<br />
CooperDan I think there are many ways t…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-10-03:2195841:Comment:183882010-10-03T15:55:52.000ZThomas Nielsenhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/ThomasNielsen
I think there are many ways to achieve the tightness required at that final lashing point. Rotating the rudder from side to side helps take out any unseen slack. Using vise grips, or a stick through a slip knot to really reef on the line helps too. Now for the final treading and the knot. Pull the line as tight as you can and then some, then perpendicularly skewer the line with a pin, sew needle or other such item that is appropriate to the line diameter. Tie the knot, caulk or epoxy the line…
I think there are many ways to achieve the tightness required at that final lashing point. Rotating the rudder from side to side helps take out any unseen slack. Using vise grips, or a stick through a slip knot to really reef on the line helps too. Now for the final treading and the knot. Pull the line as tight as you can and then some, then perpendicularly skewer the line with a pin, sew needle or other such item that is appropriate to the line diameter. Tie the knot, caulk or epoxy the line into the threading holes and when all done remove the pin. Tight as can be! Hope this helps. Hello Dan
will you be in Phu…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-10-02:2195841:Comment:183532010-10-02T20:50:18.000ZWaveDancer & Bellahttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/WaveDancer
Hello Dan<br />
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will you be in Phuket during January 2011? I plan to do some videoclips with WaveDancer may be we meet once. How's Alex? We'll miss Tiare once she leaves Phuket! Cheers Wave
Hello Dan<br />
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will you be in Phuket during January 2011? I plan to do some videoclips with WaveDancer may be we meet once. How's Alex? We'll miss Tiare once she leaves Phuket! Cheers Wave Glad to be of some help.
Will…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-10-01:2195841:Comment:182552010-10-01T17:04:59.000ZCooper Danhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Tiare
Glad to be of some help.<br />
Will upload some more images of Tiare as time goes by. Limited as to power to run the Laptop and internet is a bit slow this part of the world.<br />
Cheers<br />
Daniel
Glad to be of some help.<br />
Will upload some more images of Tiare as time goes by. Limited as to power to run the Laptop and internet is a bit slow this part of the world.<br />
Cheers<br />
Daniel Thank you for the pictures. I…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-10-01:2195841:Comment:182532010-10-01T16:33:05.000Zclif highhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/clifhigh
Thank you for the pictures. It clears up a lot of questions on technique. I had been using a pair of inuit pliers for tightening. I will add the ramp of the wedge and a second knot. Thanks again. Tres cool boat (from what may be seen in photo's). Ok, adding a bridal to the crab claw today and will also add second knot to new lashings on the steering oar.<br />
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Thank you for the pictures. It clears up a lot of questions on technique. I had been using a pair of inuit pliers for tightening. I will add the ramp of the wedge and a second knot. Thanks again. Tres cool boat (from what may be seen in photo's). Ok, adding a bridal to the crab claw today and will also add second knot to new lashings on the steering oar.<br />
clif Hello Clif
Not quite the same…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-10-01:2195841:Comment:181952010-10-01T14:06:59.000ZCooper Danhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Tiare
Hello Clif<br></br>
Not quite the same situation but perhaps it will help, our stopper knot was tied twice, once as close as we could get, the second behind the first and tight up against the wood.<br></br>
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We needed to repair the SB rudder as it had developed a crack on the leading edge.<br></br>
I was a little apprehensive. But as the images show is a relatively straight forward job to reinstall.<br></br>
The rudder needs to be hung up, loosely with the lashings.<br></br>
Then braced and centered.<br></br>
The…
Hello Clif<br/>
Not quite the same situation but perhaps it will help, our stopper knot was tied twice, once as close as we could get, the second behind the first and tight up against the wood.<br/>
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We needed to repair the SB rudder as it had developed a crack on the leading edge.<br/>
I was a little apprehensive. But as the images show is a relatively straight forward job to reinstall.<br/>
The rudder needs to be hung up, loosely with the lashings.<br/>
Then braced and centered.<br/>
The gap at the bottom is slightly oversized.<br/>
Start at the top and work down.<br/>
We have a a bit of hardwood shaped like a leg? bone that is used to lever the lashing tight.<br/>
Once is as tight as can be but before it is loosened to start the next bit, a wooden spike is "tapped" in to the lashing hole from the other side to keep the tightness while the lashings is looped around and the process is stated again.<br/>
The final knot is a made of two knots, the first as tight and as close as possible, but is always a bit slack so lashing is knotted again behind the first, next to the rudder, this seems to make it tight.<br/>
As the final photo shows everything hangs nicely with just the right clearance at the bottom.<br/>
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<a href="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/photo/albums/rudder-lashings">Images here</a><br/>
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Bit I learnt was that perhaps the wooden lever should be a bit longer for easier leverage.<br/>
Have plenty of wooded spiles (spikes) handy of a softwood. Don't dive them too hard. Sorry, but not an option for…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-09-24:2195841:Comment:179452010-09-24T15:47:34.000Zclif highhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/clifhigh
Sorry, but not an option for me. Have to reduce the amount of fiddlefarting around as this is a trailer sailboat with enough of that going on already. Plus it is a cloth covered boat over light bent cedar ribs so there is no there there to easily provide either support from which to pull. I mean it could be done, but no thru-hulls for me thank you. Nice design in the picture though.<br />
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And my retention point system works well, the fault was mine for underestimating the forces and shaving the…
Sorry, but not an option for me. Have to reduce the amount of fiddlefarting around as this is a trailer sailboat with enough of that going on already. Plus it is a cloth covered boat over light bent cedar ribs so there is no there there to easily provide either support from which to pull. I mean it could be done, but no thru-hulls for me thank you. Nice design in the picture though.<br />
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And my retention point system works well, the fault was mine for underestimating the forces and shaving the supporting wood too thin. And now i think i have the lashing tight on the new piece. I will see how it takes the pressures now. Marvelously responsive though. Much better than any rudder. The balance on the oar helps but also there is some how a totally different geometry involved that really favors the steering oar over rudder control. Here is a shot of the port st…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-09-24:2195841:Comment:179332010-09-24T03:15:08.000Zkim whitmyrehttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/kimwhitmyre
Here is a shot of the port steering oar on Glenn Tieman's tama moana, Manurere:<br />
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<p style="text-align:left"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4130/5019539260_5c01dfb99a_z.jpg"></img></p>
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You can see the oar is lashed to the hull side, and rides against a knuckle on its lower end for turning clearance. There is actually a purchase system inside the hull that pulls the lower end tight against the hull, but that also allows the oar to be completely raised out of the water.<br />
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Perhaps something similar, meaning using the hull to support the…
Here is a shot of the port steering oar on Glenn Tieman's tama moana, Manurere:<br />
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<p style="text-align:left"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4130/5019539260_5c01dfb99a_z.jpg"/></p>
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You can see the oar is lashed to the hull side, and rides against a knuckle on its lower end for turning clearance. There is actually a purchase system inside the hull that pulls the lower end tight against the hull, but that also allows the oar to be completely raised out of the water.<br />
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Perhaps something similar, meaning using the hull to support the oar.