Enjoy the boat, enjoy the food, but my sailing skills... - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T11:30:17Zhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/enjoy-the-boat-enjoy-the-food-but-my-sailing-skills?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A172631&feed=yes&xn_auth=noÉric
Other things which have…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2020-06-01:2195841:Comment:1728422020-06-01T09:34:50.064ZIan Bamseyhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/IanBamsey
<p><span>Éric</span></p>
<p><span>Other things which have help me point :</span></p>
<p><span>1. A downhaul on the main to get the wrinkles out</span></p>
<p><span>2. Pull really hard on the gaff halyard (See little Cat, Roger uses a 2:1 on the gaff)</span></p>
<p>3. Use a barber haul or tweeker to pull the head sail sheeting point inboard. See Little Cat blog again.</p>
<p>I use a Laser vang block with another block and a hook to tweek the sheet positions. Also don't point too high as slightly…</p>
<p><span>Éric</span></p>
<p><span>Other things which have help me point :</span></p>
<p><span>1. A downhaul on the main to get the wrinkles out</span></p>
<p><span>2. Pull really hard on the gaff halyard (See little Cat, Roger uses a 2:1 on the gaff)</span></p>
<p>3. Use a barber haul or tweeker to pull the head sail sheeting point inboard. See Little Cat blog again.</p>
<p>I use a Laser vang block with another block and a hook to tweek the sheet positions. Also don't point too high as slightly off will give a better VMG.</p>
<p><img src="https://www.pinbax.com/productimages/LaserVang_Block_2019_L91462.jpg" alt="Laser Vang Block (L91462) | P&B" width="238" height="238"/></p> tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2020-06-01:2195841:Comment:1729912020-06-01T08:22:14.509ZÉric Bouvéronhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Bouveron
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/5486285458?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/5486285458?profile=RESIZE_710x"/></a></p> Hi again,
I finally used Ian…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2020-06-01:2195841:Comment:1729402020-06-01T08:19:10.135ZÉric Bouvéronhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Bouveron
<p>Hi again, </p>
<p>I finally used Ian Bansey's design for my forestay, with some differences.</p>
<p>I didn't put a bottle screw on the forestay, only a lashing.</p>
<p>I add a string going thru the jib hook. It's not as smooth as a block, but with the double blocks added I have a good purchase.</p>
<p>Also, I put a little more rake on the mast. (My shrouds are now 2 cm shorter) </p>
<p>I tried that this Sunday, and obviously the tension on the luff improves the pointing ability of the…</p>
<p>Hi again, </p>
<p>I finally used Ian Bansey's design for my forestay, with some differences.</p>
<p>I didn't put a bottle screw on the forestay, only a lashing.</p>
<p>I add a string going thru the jib hook. It's not as smooth as a block, but with the double blocks added I have a good purchase.</p>
<p>Also, I put a little more rake on the mast. (My shrouds are now 2 cm shorter) </p>
<p>I tried that this Sunday, and obviously the tension on the luff improves the pointing ability of the boat.</p>
<p>I was on 135 degrees, now I float between 110 and 100 degrees. I will check again with an electronic compass.</p>
<p>Here is from where I took the design. By the way, an excellent website.</p>
<p><a href="http://tiki21gratitude.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2017-06-10T11:56:00-07:00&max-results=7" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"><font style="background-color: #ffffff;">http://tiki21gratitude.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2017-06-10T11:56:00-07:00&max-results=7</font></a></p>
<p>Attached is a rough design of my own arrangement. Again, I sail alone, and don't like to take picture when on the helm.</p>
<p>Thank you all for your support,</p>
<p>Éric </p> Thank you Ian. I will work on…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2020-05-20:2195841:Comment:1726352020-05-20T14:59:00.895ZÉric Bouvéronhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Bouveron
Thank you Ian. I will work on it tomorrow. I do not know what is a 6 to 1, but I bought two double blocks, should be better. .Also, I have been told to increase the mast rake à little.
Thank you Ian. I will work on it tomorrow. I do not know what is a 6 to 1, but I bought two double blocks, should be better. .Also, I have been told to increase the mast rake à little. Great advice from Roger. Each…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2020-05-20:2195841:Comment:1726312020-05-20T13:42:17.756ZIan Bamseyhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/IanBamsey
<p>Great advice from Roger. Each year on my 21 I have been able to sail higher. The first big step was increasing the luff tension on the head sail. My fore stay is not especially tight, but the sail has a wire luff. I have a 6 to 1 downhaul and I tension this "chock-a-block". I can see from your video that the luff needs to be much tighter (crazy tight! ). </p>
<p>The boat needs a good breeze and then I can now point quite high. </p>
<p>Ian</p>
<p>Great advice from Roger. Each year on my 21 I have been able to sail higher. The first big step was increasing the luff tension on the head sail. My fore stay is not especially tight, but the sail has a wire luff. I have a 6 to 1 downhaul and I tension this "chock-a-block". I can see from your video that the luff needs to be much tighter (crazy tight! ). </p>
<p>The boat needs a good breeze and then I can now point quite high. </p>
<p>Ian</p> PS it is easy to oversheet th…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2020-05-16:2195841:Comment:1725592020-05-16T00:09:49.405ZRogerhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RogerSullivan
<p>PS it is easy to oversheet the Wharram sails and kill forward momentum. Until you have 10 knots or so of true windspeed the Wharram jib needs a nice round entry. I try and visualize the wind angle as meeting the curve around the back of the jib.</p>
<p>PS it is easy to oversheet the Wharram sails and kill forward momentum. Until you have 10 knots or so of true windspeed the Wharram jib needs a nice round entry. I try and visualize the wind angle as meeting the curve around the back of the jib.</p> Always nice to read your comm…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2020-05-15:2195841:Comment:1726902020-05-15T23:10:19.270ZÉric Bouvéronhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Bouveron
Always nice to read your comments Roger, thanks.
Always nice to read your comments Roger, thanks. Hi Eric,
Your set up looks pr…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2020-05-15:2195841:Comment:1724672020-05-15T19:39:49.679ZRogerhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RogerSullivan
<p>Hi Eric,</p>
<p>Your set up looks pretty good, and your tell tales seem to be streaming OK. However, your jib luff looks slack, so you need to rig some sort of down haul and try and get your rig as tight as possible. Sailing to windward is all about the jib, as the main is much more resistant to stalling than the jib. With the Wharram it is very easy to find yourself on a close reach when you are trying to beat to windward. The jib streamers look good, but you are actually…</p>
<p>Hi Eric,</p>
<p>Your set up looks pretty good, and your tell tales seem to be streaming OK. However, your jib luff looks slack, so you need to rig some sort of down haul and try and get your rig as tight as possible. Sailing to windward is all about the jib, as the main is much more resistant to stalling than the jib. With the Wharram it is very easy to find yourself on a close reach when you are trying to beat to windward. The jib streamers look good, but you are actually reaching.</p>
<p>As you are probably aware it is the lee tell tales that are crucial - if they flutter, the sail is stalled even if the windward tell tales look good. So you need to favor the lee tell tales and ease up to windward while keeping them flowing smoothly. When the windward tell tales start to flutter while the lee tell tales are streaming smoothly, you are getting into the groove. At the same time you need to maintain hull speed, or you will be pointing high but not moving. </p>
<p>So, "follow" the lee tell tales up to windward until the windward tell tales are fluttering whilst maintaining hull speed. If the speed drops, then fall off a bit. The hull speed thing is harder in the Wharram because there are no boards to stop leeward drift. The Wharram hulls need to be moving smoothly through the water to have any lift to windward. As your speed builds to windward, you can start sheeting in your sails tighter.</p>
<p>That's what works for me - hope it helps.</p>
<p>Roger</p> VID-20200503-WA0014.mp4
Video…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2020-05-04:2195841:Comment:1724572020-05-04T02:51:03.292ZÉric Bouvéronhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Bouveron
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/4704791258?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">VID-20200503-WA0014.mp4</a></p>
<p>Video from My daughter.</p>
<p>Better may be than a picture?</p>
<p>Comments welcome,</p>
<p>Éric</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/4704791258?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">VID-20200503-WA0014.mp4</a></p>
<p>Video from My daughter.</p>
<p>Better may be than a picture?</p>
<p>Comments welcome,</p>
<p>Éric</p> Thank youbagain for your answ…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2020-05-02:2195841:Comment:1723612020-05-02T22:52:53.735ZÉric Bouvéronhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Bouveron
<p>Thank youbagain for your answers.</p>
<p>The original traveler is a pain, but at least it keeps the sail more in the back than the double mainsheet. A bamboo boom may be great idea, with a dinghy fitting at the mast.</p>
<p>However, with the traveller, I still make angles of 130 degrees, 65 on each tack, and its is far from good. I will try to take pictures today, for I go with a crew.</p>
<p>Thank youbagain for your answers.</p>
<p>The original traveler is a pain, but at least it keeps the sail more in the back than the double mainsheet. A bamboo boom may be great idea, with a dinghy fitting at the mast.</p>
<p>However, with the traveller, I still make angles of 130 degrees, 65 on each tack, and its is far from good. I will try to take pictures today, for I go with a crew.</p>