Deckpod Modification Tiki 38 - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T08:20:39Zhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/deckpod-modification-tiki-38-3?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A156027&feed=yes&xn_auth=noA properly built soft enclosu…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-10-12:2195841:Comment:1560282017-10-12T14:47:40.751ZBudget Boaterhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BudgetBoater
<p>A properly built soft enclosure will not flap at all. The design must include a means to add tension as the material stretches over time, so as to keep it very tight. Distances between rails will keep the material panels smaller which will reduce/eliminate movement in higher winds. Like anything else, it is all about the design. I leave my canvas work up to professionals in that field an have yet to be disappointed.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Giovani Frisene said:…</cite></p>
<p>A properly built soft enclosure will not flap at all. The design must include a means to add tension as the material stretches over time, so as to keep it very tight. Distances between rails will keep the material panels smaller which will reduce/eliminate movement in higher winds. Like anything else, it is all about the design. I leave my canvas work up to professionals in that field an have yet to be disappointed.<br/> <br/> <cite>Giovani Frisene said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/deckpod-modification-tiki-38-3?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A156027&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2195841Comment156027"><div><p>Yeah, Budget I know what you mean. That´s why I am so confused and in doubt to build something totally different from the plans. I am so hesitating about that, I am afraid to do something ugly or too heavy. <br/>I prefer a hard top too. Soft enclosure seems to be nice and preferable. Someone told me this soft enclosure can be very annoying when wind beats hard on. At the same time, a hard enclosure does not offer me an option and will be heavier.<br/>Up to now, Tikimata´s pod inspire me, but as I said, a hard enclosure is already a doubt...Anyway, I am going to start with the floor and see how things coming up. I´ll put some pictures of my progress to you guys give me some ideas. Thanks a lot for your support.</p>
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</blockquote> Yeah, Budget I know what you…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-10-12:2195841:Comment:1560272017-10-12T14:18:13.283ZGiovani Frisenehttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GiovaniFrisene
<p>Yeah, Budget I know what you mean. That´s why I am so confused and in doubt to build something totally different from the plans. I am so hesitating about that, I am afraid to do something ugly or too heavy. <br></br>I prefer a hard top too. Soft enclosure seems to be nice and preferable. Someone told me this soft enclosure can be very annoying when wind beats hard on. At the same time, a hard enclosure does not offer me an option and will be heavier.<br></br>Up to now, Tikimata´s pod inspire me, but…</p>
<p>Yeah, Budget I know what you mean. That´s why I am so confused and in doubt to build something totally different from the plans. I am so hesitating about that, I am afraid to do something ugly or too heavy. <br/>I prefer a hard top too. Soft enclosure seems to be nice and preferable. Someone told me this soft enclosure can be very annoying when wind beats hard on. At the same time, a hard enclosure does not offer me an option and will be heavier.<br/>Up to now, Tikimata´s pod inspire me, but as I said, a hard enclosure is already a doubt...Anyway, I am going to start with the floor and see how things coming up. I´ll put some pictures of my progress to you guys give me some ideas. Thanks a lot for your support.</p> As far as building a hard enc…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-10-12:2195841:Comment:1559342017-10-12T13:52:11.023ZBudget Boaterhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BudgetBoater
<p>As far as building a hard enclosure for the cockpit, it is all about what you design. I prefer a hard top, with soft enclosure so that soft sides can be added to shelter the main cabin and galley hatches and allow many options for ventilation. I do not have any information to offer for a hard cockpit enclosure since I have never built one.</p>
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<p>As far as building a hard enclosure for the cockpit, it is all about what you design. I prefer a hard top, with soft enclosure so that soft sides can be added to shelter the main cabin and galley hatches and allow many options for ventilation. I do not have any information to offer for a hard cockpit enclosure since I have never built one.</p>
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<p>I do not know the dimension you seek.</p> Really good idea to widen the…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-10-12:2195841:Comment:1561092017-10-12T01:56:45.776ZGiovani Frisenehttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GiovaniFrisene
<p>Really good idea to widen the cockpit to the coach roofs but I´m planning to close the pod like Tikimata. Do you have a word on that? Can you tell me the distance from mast beam and the foot of mainsail. Thank you Budget for your help in the community.…</p>
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<p>Really good idea to widen the cockpit to the coach roofs but I´m planning to close the pod like Tikimata. Do you have a word on that? Can you tell me the distance from mast beam and the foot of mainsail. Thank you Budget for your help in the community.</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/deckpod-modification-tiki-38-3#2195841Comment156016"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>The video that Chuck provided is the cockpit that I designed for his Tiki 38. There is a hard top with solar panels (not shown in the video) and curtains that allow complete enclosure of the cockpit (not shown in the video) that allow for anything (including sleeping) in the cockpit. The video shows the lowered floor, and extended cockpit with larger seating/sleeping areas than in the original design. The cockpit can easily seat 8-10 comfortably with or without a table.</p>
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<p>Because we are in launch phase, the hardtop and side curtains are not currently attached, and a table has not yet been constructed.</p>
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<p>My suggestion to you (based on your modifications) is to widen the cockpit all the way to the coach roofs, and use the sloped coach roofs as seat backs. Regardless, you are constrained by the distance between the mast beam and beam 3, which is too short for bunks. The only available space is over beam 3 as was done on Chuck's Tiki 38 "Dog" as shown in the video.<br/> <br/> <cite>Giovani Frisene said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/deckpod-modification-tiki-38-3?page=1&commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A156015&x=1#2195841Comment155914"><div><p>Thank you Budget for your ideias. I will widen the pod and lower the floor 100mm. I will stick with the idea to have a bunk with a roof in the aft. I´m not sure about the roof in the helmsman area. Do I put a rigid roof and a solar pannel or a removeble awning? <br/> <br/> <cite>Budget Boater said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/deckpod-modification-tiki-38-3#2195841Comment155788"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>The two primary modifications you could make would be to widen the cockpit and use your modified coachroofs as seat backs, and to overhang a seating area on beam three (as done on Chuck's Tiki 38).</p>
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<p>However, the space between beam 2 and the mast beam is quite large. While at anchor, you can suspend a canvas cover between the masts and use this area for lounging, eating, etc.</p>
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</blockquote> Thank you, Dave, I saw your i…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-10-12:2195841:Comment:1558452017-10-12T01:04:12.652ZGiovani Frisenehttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GiovaniFrisene
<p>Thank you, Dave, I saw your images. amazing, enormous deckpod. I´m not planning extend the pod to the foremast, I try to take advantage of all the space available between mast beam and beam 3. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>dave tomlinson said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/deckpod-modification-tiki-38-3#2195841Comment155926"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Have a look at the modified tiki 38 on the sian sailing Thailand site, looks like a much better…</div>
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<p>Thank you, Dave, I saw your images. amazing, enormous deckpod. I´m not planning extend the pod to the foremast, I try to take advantage of all the space available between mast beam and beam 3. <br/> <br/> <cite>dave tomlinson said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/deckpod-modification-tiki-38-3#2195841Comment155926"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Have a look at the modified tiki 38 on the sian sailing Thailand site, looks like a much better setup for a liveaboard, my t 38 also has a nice pod with a table and 2 good single beds, easily seats 6 for dinner and a great place to keep watch from and still room to walk past , photos are here , I am building a roof to go behind the pod also.</div>
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Have a look at the modified tiki 38 on the sian sailing Thailand site, looks like a much better setup for a liveaboard, my t 38 also has a nice pod with a table and 2 good single beds, easily seats 6 for dinner and a great place to keep watch from and still room to walk past , photos are here , I am building a roof to go behind the pod also.
Have a look at the modified tiki 38 on the sian sailing Thailand site, looks like a much better setup for a liveaboard, my t 38 also has a nice pod with a table and 2 good single beds, easily seats 6 for dinner and a great place to keep watch from and still room to walk past , photos are here , I am building a roof to go behind the pod also. Have a look at the pictures i…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-10-09:2195841:Comment:1560172017-10-09T13:18:35.843ZBjörnhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Bjorn
<p>Have a look at the pictures in my profile and you find pretty much everything for the first overview<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Giovani Frisene said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/deckpod-modification-tiki-38-3#2195841Comment156015"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Thank you Björn for your help. Definitely I will lower the floor and try to figure out some tent between hatches and roof and cockpit, if you have some image I appreciate. Related to the …</p>
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<p>Have a look at the pictures in my profile and you find pretty much everything for the first overview<br/> <br/> <cite>Giovani Frisene said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/deckpod-modification-tiki-38-3#2195841Comment156015"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Thank you Björn for your help. Definitely I will lower the floor and try to figure out some tent between hatches and roof and cockpit, if you have some image I appreciate. Related to the mast foot design if you have some image or sketch I appreciate. <br/> <br/> <cite>Björn said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/deckpod-modification-tiki-38-3#2195841Comment155681"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Lowering the floor is a good idea (mine is 100 mm lower), then you do not sit with your ears between our knees and a roof is not that high. Try to build everything as ligh as possible using foam sandwich, there is alot of weight in the cockpit (and the roof). Have the cockpit floor on a light slant preventing you to stand in a puddle, same thing fo the seats.<br/> The original cockpit design sits 4 - 6 people (sometimes a bit cramped but it works).<br/> A tent between hatches and roof and cockpit makes a lot of difference on rainy days (it is like a different boat).<br/> If the tent is built strongly you can sail with it up to 20 knots of wind (or even more), when tacking it makes you slower, downwind it gives you a little extra boost.<br/> I would also recommend to use the space between cockpit and hull for extra lockers (lightweight!), they will come in extremely handy for ropes, fenders, cockpit tables, empty beer cans,...<br/> <br/> I also recommend to change the mast foot design, that the masts can tilt backwards, this make your life later much easier, this might need to be considered in the cockpit design as well and will require to be able to remove the cockpit roof easily (lightweight again and simple fittings).</div>
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</blockquote> The video that Chuck provided…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-10-09:2195841:Comment:1560162017-10-09T00:19:45.907ZBudget Boaterhttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BudgetBoater
<p>The video that Chuck provided is the cockpit that I designed for his Tiki 38. There is a hard top with solar panels (not shown in the video) and curtains that allow complete enclosure of the cockpit (not shown in the video) that allow for anything (including sleeping) in the cockpit. The video shows the lowered floor, and extended cockpit with larger seating/sleeping areas than in the original design. The cockpit can easily seat 8-10 comfortably with or without a…</p>
<p>The video that Chuck provided is the cockpit that I designed for his Tiki 38. There is a hard top with solar panels (not shown in the video) and curtains that allow complete enclosure of the cockpit (not shown in the video) that allow for anything (including sleeping) in the cockpit. The video shows the lowered floor, and extended cockpit with larger seating/sleeping areas than in the original design. The cockpit can easily seat 8-10 comfortably with or without a table.</p>
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<p>Because we are in launch phase, the hardtop and side curtains are not currently attached, and a table has not yet been constructed.</p>
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<p>My suggestion to you (based on your modifications) is to widen the cockpit all the way to the coach roofs, and use the sloped coach roofs as seat backs. Regardless, you are constrained by the distance between the mast beam and beam 3, which is too short for bunks. The only available space is over beam 3 as was done on Chuck's Tiki 38 "Dog" as shown in the video.<br/> <br/> <cite>Giovani Frisene said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/deckpod-modification-tiki-38-3?page=1&commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A156015&x=1#2195841Comment155914"><div><p>Thank you Budget for your ideias. I will widen the pod and lower the floor 100mm. I will stick with the idea to have a bunk with a roof in the aft. I´m not sure about the roof in the helmsman area. Do I put a rigid roof and a solar pannel or a removeble awning? <br/> <br/> <cite>Budget Boater said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/deckpod-modification-tiki-38-3#2195841Comment155788"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>The two primary modifications you could make would be to widen the cockpit and use your modified coachroofs as seat backs, and to overhang a seating area on beam three (as done on Chuck's Tiki 38).</p>
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<p>However, the space between beam 2 and the mast beam is quite large. While at anchor, you can suspend a canvas cover between the masts and use this area for lounging, eating, etc.</p>
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</blockquote> Thank you Björn for your help…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-10-09:2195841:Comment:1560152017-10-09T00:04:51.723ZGiovani Frisenehttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GiovaniFrisene
<p>Thank you Björn for your help. Definitely I will lower the floor and try to figure out some tent between hatches and roof and cockpit, if you have some image I appreciate. Related to the mast foot design if you have some image or sketch I appreciate. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Björn said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/deckpod-modification-tiki-38-3#2195841Comment155681"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Lowering the floor is a good idea (mine is 100 mm…</div>
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<p>Thank you Björn for your help. Definitely I will lower the floor and try to figure out some tent between hatches and roof and cockpit, if you have some image I appreciate. Related to the mast foot design if you have some image or sketch I appreciate. <br/> <br/> <cite>Björn said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/deckpod-modification-tiki-38-3#2195841Comment155681"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Lowering the floor is a good idea (mine is 100 mm lower), then you do not sit with your ears between our knees and a roof is not that high. Try to build everything as ligh as possible using foam sandwich, there is alot of weight in the cockpit (and the roof). Have the cockpit floor on a light slant preventing you to stand in a puddle, same thing fo the seats.<br/> The original cockpit design sits 4 - 6 people (sometimes a bit cramped but it works).<br/> A tent between hatches and roof and cockpit makes a lot of difference on rainy days (it is like a different boat).<br/> If the tent is built strongly you can sail with it up to 20 knots of wind (or even more), when tacking it makes you slower, downwind it gives you a little extra boost.<br/> I would also recommend to use the space between cockpit and hull for extra lockers (lightweight!), they will come in extremely handy for ropes, fenders, cockpit tables, empty beer cans,...<br/> <br/> I also recommend to change the mast foot design, that the masts can tilt backwards, this make your life later much easier, this might need to be considered in the cockpit design as well and will require to be able to remove the cockpit roof easily (lightweight again and simple fittings).</div>
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</blockquote> Thank you Oliver, this is a g…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-10-08:2195841:Comment:1560142017-10-08T23:49:36.905ZGiovani Frisenehttps://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GiovaniFrisene
<p>Thank you Oliver, this is a good collection of images! I recently format my computer and lost all the images I used for reference while building...<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Olivier R. said:…</cite></p>
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<p>Thank you Oliver, this is a good collection of images! I recently format my computer and lost all the images I used for reference while building...<br/> <br/> <cite>Olivier R. said:</cite></p>
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