Windvane Steering - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-28T22:08:03Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/windvane-steering?feed=yes&xn_auth=nook you saved me 250 € thank y…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-12-26:2195841:Comment:923302012-12-26T21:43:32.685Zlaurenthttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/laurent
ok you saved me 250 € thank you
ok you saved me 250 € thank you it will cost you 20 dollar an…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-12-26:2195841:Comment:920592012-12-26T08:52:52.060Zwakataiteahttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/wakataitea
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930089368?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930089368?profile=original" width="640"></img></a> it will cost you 20 dollar and it works... (on our tiki46)</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930091205?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930091205?profile=original" width="640"></img></a> just hinge it somewhere on you deck. 2 screws under the sail for the adjustment of the angle to the wind... 2 ropes to the ends of the tillers and that's it. if you don't need it any more, you…</p>
<p><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930089368?profile=original"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930089368?profile=original" width="640"/></a>it will cost you 20 dollar and it works... (on our tiki46)</p>
<p><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930091205?profile=original"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930091205?profile=original" width="640"/></a>just hinge it somewhere on you deck. 2 screws under the sail for the adjustment of the angle to the wind... 2 ropes to the ends of the tillers and that's it. if you don't need it any more, you just pull it out and roll it together.</p>
<p><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930091358?profile=original"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930091358?profile=original" width="631"/></a>forget about "monitor, pacific ...." and all this expensive stuff. think "wharram style" be creative... or do it like hans klaar... use you heatsail and rubber band...</p>
<p>there are so many ways. and the best ones are often very easy to do...</p>
<p>have fun hans</p>
<p></p> IT WORKS is the first shout o…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-12-23:2195841:Comment:922292012-12-23T22:01:11.922ZAnn and Neville Clementhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AnnandNevilleClement922
<p>IT WORKS is the first shout of victory, Robert, and the second shout of victory on a boat is IT FITS! That's all that matters. Ann</p>
<p>IT WORKS is the first shout of victory, Robert, and the second shout of victory on a boat is IT FITS! That's all that matters. Ann</p> Hi Anne,
Could not agree more…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-12-23:2195841:Comment:922122012-12-23T08:42:22.771ZRobert Sheridanhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RobertSheridan
<p>Hi Anne,</p>
<p>Could not agree more! There is a pin which attaches the extension rod to the tiller pilot push rod but in an emergency you can just lift the whole tillerpilot off and it sits on the tiller bar to give you complete manual control.</p>
<p>We would have liked to have driven the windvane servo with the tillerpilot but could not see a way to make it work for a Tiki 30. The mounting position for the tillerpilot was the only one we could find that was at about the right height, easy…</p>
<p>Hi Anne,</p>
<p>Could not agree more! There is a pin which attaches the extension rod to the tiller pilot push rod but in an emergency you can just lift the whole tillerpilot off and it sits on the tiller bar to give you complete manual control.</p>
<p>We would have liked to have driven the windvane servo with the tillerpilot but could not see a way to make it work for a Tiki 30. The mounting position for the tillerpilot was the only one we could find that was at about the right height, easy to get at and did not foul the tiller bar or tillers or intrude into the cockpit. </p>
<p>We need to improve the connection between the rod and tillerpilot as it is abit sloppy at the moment (I am the king of the bodge), but it works.</p> What you have in that pic loo…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-12-23:2195841:Comment:921292012-12-23T06:36:48.895ZAnn and Neville Clementhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AnnandNevilleClement922
<p>What you have in that pic looks good, Robert. This whole subject is so darn much fun!</p>
<p>Another option: somebody somewhere posted that they fixed a deck stancheon directly to a rudder head at a similar angle to your pic and they attached the long rod to the top of that stancheon. I believe there was a little ring at the end of the stancheon and the long rod from the tiller pilot just had a peg that dropped through the stancheon's ring. All these are great ideas. </p>
<p>Robert,…</p>
<p>What you have in that pic looks good, Robert. This whole subject is so darn much fun!</p>
<p>Another option: somebody somewhere posted that they fixed a deck stancheon directly to a rudder head at a similar angle to your pic and they attached the long rod to the top of that stancheon. I believe there was a little ring at the end of the stancheon and the long rod from the tiller pilot just had a peg that dropped through the stancheon's ring. All these are great ideas. </p>
<p>Robert, is your system easy to engage and disengage in emergency situations like seeing a freighter come right at ya out of the fog? Ease of operation even if the solo sailor is impaired through injury or fatigue is always the Holy Grail. I wonder if it might be possible some way to make a quick release fastening between the tiller pilot and the long rod? That way it would be easily within reach of the cockpit... Just some way to flip the rod and have a disconnect so you could grab that big old wooden tiller bar and get outa the way of that freightor... (I would want to be able to disconnect any self steering within about three seconds so as to be able to make a quick manual turn of 90 degrees away from danger. I actually had that kind of freightor come out of the fog right at me when I was sailing solo in my old monohull and the three seconds were all the time I had to get turned 90 degrees out of danger on that occasion.)</p>
<p>There are enough clever folks here to make this Holy Grail steering system really happen. </p> Picture of the tillerpilot se…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-12-22:2195841:Comment:918872012-12-22T13:31:58.572ZRobert Sheridanhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RobertSheridan
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930087903?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-left" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930087903?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a> Picture of the tillerpilot setup we are currently using. The long rod is a cut down carbon fibre skiff tiller extension; We tried using the same for the rod coming from the tiller but it was not stiff enough so will revert to stainless. The joint is a standard dinghy tiller extension swivel from RWO.</p>
<p></p>
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Robert Sheridan…</cite></p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930087903?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930087903?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-left"/></a>Picture of the tillerpilot setup we are currently using. The long rod is a cut down carbon fibre skiff tiller extension; We tried using the same for the rod coming from the tiller but it was not stiff enough so will revert to stainless. The joint is a standard dinghy tiller extension swivel from RWO.</p>
<p></p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Robert Sheridan said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/windvane-steering?id=2195841%3ATopic%3A8771&page=2#2195841Comment91159"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">An update: we believe that the problems we had with the tillerpilot were because of the weight of the tillers; I there is a big course correction the tillerpilot is overwhelmed by the inertia of the tillers. We are now using shock cord on the tillers to help get them back towards centre when there is a big course correction. This does Not rule out that electronic interference was occuring as well.</div>
</div>
</blockquote> On my old monohull and also o…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-12-10:2195841:Comment:911772012-12-10T03:44:46.420ZAnn and Neville Clementhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AnnandNevilleClement922
<p>On my old monohull and also on Peace, we find that we must eliminate all the fricition and sticktion we can and be sure everything runs free. the blocks are fair so the steering lines don't drag etc. We use best quality blocks and best quality non stretch line for any steering system and make sure the rudders turn easily with minimum effort. All that fuss really is worth the bother because it is so nice to have reliable self steering so you can relax and enjoy the view and your lunch or…</p>
<p>On my old monohull and also on Peace, we find that we must eliminate all the fricition and sticktion we can and be sure everything runs free. the blocks are fair so the steering lines don't drag etc. We use best quality blocks and best quality non stretch line for any steering system and make sure the rudders turn easily with minimum effort. All that fuss really is worth the bother because it is so nice to have reliable self steering so you can relax and enjoy the view and your lunch or just a day dream. The Wharram stitched on rudders need just enough tight and just enough slack to work well and it is the same with the steering lines to the self steering. I always found it good to put in a tiny bit of lee helm so the windvane would be more sensitive and not have to take up any slack as it would if you had it perfectly balanced. It is hard for me to describe this, but maybe one of you can say it better. I love to watch any kind of self steering working. It makes the boat seem to have a will of its own and it is just a joy to see it when it all works right.</p> An update: we believe that th…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-12-09:2195841:Comment:911592012-12-09T07:49:36.859ZRobert Sheridanhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RobertSheridan
An update: we believe that the problems we had with the tillerpilot were because of the weight of the tillers; I there is a big course correction the tillerpilot is overwhelmed by the inertia of the tillers. We are now using shock cord on the tillers to help get them back towards centre when there is a big course correction. This does Not rule out that electronic interference was occuring as well.
An update: we believe that the problems we had with the tillerpilot were because of the weight of the tillers; I there is a big course correction the tillerpilot is overwhelmed by the inertia of the tillers. We are now using shock cord on the tillers to help get them back towards centre when there is a big course correction. This does Not rule out that electronic interference was occuring as well. what do you think of that win…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2012-11-26:2195841:Comment:885452012-11-26T19:42:19.606Zlaurenthttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/laurent
<p>what do you think of that wind vane . It is old model by QME then PLASTIMO . Is it worth for pahi 26 ?</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p>what do you think of that wind vane . It is old model by QME then PLASTIMO . Is it worth for pahi 26 ?</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p> I'm making the JW design for…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-09-20:2195841:Comment:178202010-09-20T00:13:42.000ZRussell and Janet Puryearhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RussellPuryear
I'm making the JW design for my Tiki 26. What area is appropriate for the vane?
I'm making the JW design for my Tiki 26. What area is appropriate for the vane?