wharram capsize in nz - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T16:04:09Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/wharram-capsize-in-nz?id=2195841%3ATopic%3A15453&feed=yes&xn_auth=noKia Ora, There are some fanta…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-06-14:2195841:Comment:1431662016-06-14T01:09:49.798ZNicki Wakefieldhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/NickiWakefield
<p>Kia Ora, There are some fantastic coincidences in this world. I recently purchased a Tiki 21 from a guy in Auckland and as a first time multihull owner am doing the research -- turns out the boat we have purchased is Ruru, the subject of this discussion. And the boat is coming back close to the BOI. We are based in Whangaruru. Thanks for the contributions to this topic as we have a young family and am especially interested in how to NOT capsize the boat!</p>
<p>Kia Ora, There are some fantastic coincidences in this world. I recently purchased a Tiki 21 from a guy in Auckland and as a first time multihull owner am doing the research -- turns out the boat we have purchased is Ruru, the subject of this discussion. And the boat is coming back close to the BOI. We are based in Whangaruru. Thanks for the contributions to this topic as we have a young family and am especially interested in how to NOT capsize the boat!</p> Ann and Neville Clement said:…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-07-30:2195841:Comment:163702010-07-30T05:17:06.000ZMike Lynnhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/MikeLynn
<cite>Ann and Neville Clement said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/wharram-capsize-in-nz?page=2&commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A16369&x=1#2195841Comment16369"><div>High school German was 50 years ago, but I think that was a Pahi 26 that capsized. Right? Ann and Nev</div>
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Right, Ann and Nev. Text n the page states that the Pahi flipped without any previous warning indicators and that except for a lost hatch cover no significant damage…
<cite>Ann and Neville Clement said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/wharram-capsize-in-nz?page=2&commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A16369&x=1#2195841Comment16369"><div>High school German was 50 years ago, but I think that was a Pahi 26 that capsized. Right? Ann and Nev</div>
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Right, Ann and Nev. Text n the page states that the Pahi flipped without any previous warning indicators and that except for a lost hatch cover no significant damage occured (Lucky SOBs, because in Lake Neusiedl, dismasting is pretty frequent in capsize situatons!). Below the photos you will find a short summary of JWD´s early 1980 discussion of static vs. dynamic stability, which in my opinion is moot in this special case, because of the very special characteristics of this lake:<br />
Without knowing any details my educated guess based on some 20 dinghy capsizes in Lake Neusiedl is that this might in reality have been a ground contact event: In a force six Lake Neusiedl (again - 5 to 8 ft. deep, but with up to 30nm fetch!) produces what is likely the ugliest wave on the planet - super short, super steep, and with very little water left between the wave tops. Friend of mine once lost not only the rudder of his O.K. dinghy, including tiller, but the whole(!!!) stern of the boat attached to it on that damn lake, The whole stern section got torn off when his ruder stuck in the mud after surfing down a wave in a force six. Therefore my guess is leeward bow stuck in the or dragging through the mud, which is as capsize-inducing as getting a bow stuck in a wave. But again, I wasn´t there, am only guessing... High school German was 50 yea…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-07-30:2195841:Comment:163692010-07-30T04:12:52.000ZAnn and Neville Clementhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AnnandNevilleClement922
High school German was 50 years ago, but I think that was a Pahi 26 that capsized. Right? Ann and Nev
High school German was 50 years ago, but I think that was a Pahi 26 that capsized. Right? Ann and Nev That is a sobering photo. Tha…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-07-30:2195841:Comment:163682010-07-30T04:09:12.000ZAnn and Neville Clementhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AnnandNevilleClement922
That is a sobering photo. Thanks for the post. Reef early and often. Ann and Nev
That is a sobering photo. Thanks for the post. Reef early and often. Ann and Nev Yea - this is correct!tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-07-29:2195841:Comment:163612010-07-29T15:32:45.000ZWaveDancer & Bellahttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/WaveDancer
Yea - this is correct!
Yea - this is correct! Not a singular event, people.…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-07-29:2195841:Comment:163562010-07-29T13:31:10.000ZMike Lynnhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/MikeLynn
Not a singular event, people. For those who understand German, go <a href="http://www.austrian-wharrams.org/main_menu/wharrams_and_wind.htm" target="_blank">http://www.austrian-wharrams.org/main_menu/wharrams_and_wind.htm</a> - that´s the source of these pics shot at Lake Neusiedl/Austria in what is reported as a force 5 to 6. Lake Neusiedl is 30 nautical miles long but only 5 to 8 ft deep, therefore capsizes aren´t the drama they are elsewhere. But it once again proves that you can capsize ANY…
Not a singular event, people. For those who understand German, go <a href="http://www.austrian-wharrams.org/main_menu/wharrams_and_wind.htm" target="_blank">http://www.austrian-wharrams.org/main_menu/wharrams_and_wind.htm</a> - that´s the source of these pics shot at Lake Neusiedl/Austria in what is reported as a force 5 to 6. Lake Neusiedl is 30 nautical miles long but only 5 to 8 ft deep, therefore capsizes aren´t the drama they are elsewhere. But it once again proves that you can capsize ANY boat, given favourable conditions and consequent abuse.<p style="text-align: left;"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930083871?profile=original" alt=""/></p> Hi, the said Pahi 52 was buil…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-07-22:2195841:Comment:162052010-07-22T13:58:31.000ZWaveDancer & Bellahttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/WaveDancer
Hi, the said Pahi 52 was built by Seascape-Asia from Gunther Nutt. Her owner, George Gritsis a professional charter entrepreneur (Archipel Club - Greece) and a Greek sailing legend, was sailing her in all conditions, also when other charter boats were locked in harbours due to the hard blowing meltemi. I don'tknwo why he's selling, Hecate is a top class boat. See the foto.<br />
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Hi, the said Pahi 52 was built by Seascape-Asia from Gunther Nutt. Her owner, George Gritsis a professional charter entrepreneur (Archipel Club - Greece) and a Greek sailing legend, was sailing her in all conditions, also when other charter boats were locked in harbours due to the hard blowing meltemi. I don'tknwo why he's selling, Hecate is a top class boat. See the foto.<br />
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<cite>boatsmith said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/wharram-capsize-in-nz?xg_source=activity#2195841Comment15528"><div>I would sure like to see the picture of the Pahi 52 with one hull up as i imagine that others would. David</div>
</blockquote> hi peter, thanks for sharing…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-07-20:2195841:Comment:161962010-07-20T18:34:52.000Zluishttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/luis
hi peter, thanks for sharing your experience in so a transparent manner.<br />
all the best and fair winds<br />
luis
hi peter, thanks for sharing your experience in so a transparent manner.<br />
all the best and fair winds<br />
luis Kiaora wharramites, i am the…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-06-29:2195841:Comment:156992010-06-29T01:55:29.000Zpeter logan whitehousehttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/peterloganwhitehouse
Kiaora wharramites, i am the owner of the capsized tiki 21' Ruru. Kinda strange to come across a forum discussing my miss-adventures!<br />
Anyway it appears i owe you all an explanation. Firstly, although i haven't owned ruru for long i am not a novice sailor and my wharram claim to fame is that i actually learnt to walk on a Tangaroa 35' that my father built back in 1970.<br />
Conditions on the day were 25/30 knot NE winds with heavy gusts close to shore. Both hulls were very lightly loaded and i was…
Kiaora wharramites, i am the owner of the capsized tiki 21' Ruru. Kinda strange to come across a forum discussing my miss-adventures!<br />
Anyway it appears i owe you all an explanation. Firstly, although i haven't owned ruru for long i am not a novice sailor and my wharram claim to fame is that i actually learnt to walk on a Tangaroa 35' that my father built back in 1970.<br />
Conditions on the day were 25/30 knot NE winds with heavy gusts close to shore. Both hulls were very lightly loaded and i was single handed. I was still carrying full sail and was sheeted in hard sailing as close to the wind as possible trying to get clear of a narrow ,rocky seaway (Opito bay area). i was sitting on the outside of the windward hull. it was a combination of things that led to the capsize. firstly i was hit by a very heavy gust , this 'bogged' the leeward hull . because this suddenly slowed that hull down (almost stopped) the windward hull overtook it, instantly bringing the boat beam on to the wind and swell. At the same time a steep wave lifted the windward hull and up she went. I let the main sheet go but it didn't release as well as it should have.(possibly too small blocks, as well as the angle of guides.)<br />
i ended up in the water clear of the boat, i quickly un-hooked the outboard and got it up out of the water ,(a quick squirt of CRC and it was sweet), then swam around and reached under to let the anchor down as the tide was taking me closer to shore. luckily i didn't have long to wait for a fizz boat to pass by and they called the coast guard. we threw a heavy rope over the hulls and towed it sideways untill it came back over. the mast popped off its seat but there was no damage to the rig/sails. i lost one tiller which has just magically shown up 3 weeks later! as we towed the boat sideways to pull it over, it submerged one hull which filled with water. the other hull was pretty much dry with dry clothes and a smoke!<br />
Anyway, in the light of all you wharram owners out there and in the name of good seamanship i am sure i deserve to be flogged for even being out there single handed in those conditions. (i'll give you the stick Sam!) The other factor worthy of contributing to the situation is that i am in the middle of a messy divorce and i was only out there to try and blow out a few demons. but now i'm making excuses. i learnt alot. it was me that got the boat in the situation and no design fault of the boat. in fact i now have greater confidance in their beautiful, simple design.<br />
Sorry Sam, at least i got to check on the condition of any oyster damage (none.) You built a fantastic boat which my kids are already in love with<br />
great site to find and hopefully i will meet some of you around the bay of islands or at the gathering in january Wharram capsize in Wellington…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2010-06-28:2195841:Comment:156882010-06-28T21:37:18.000ZGreg Fhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GregFlemming
Wharram capsize in Wellington<br />
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Some months back now there was a comment from an NZer on the Bolger Yahoo Group, that a larger Wharram once capsized in Wellington Harbour. I asked on the Wharram Site Forum if anybody knew about this and Don Brazier confirmed that it did happen some time back. Don reported that the boat was a Tangaroa and was very lightly loaded and the skipper was testing it by sailing to windward to find its limits. He said that the wind at the airport at the time was gusting…
Wharram capsize in Wellington<br />
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Some months back now there was a comment from an NZer on the Bolger Yahoo Group, that a larger Wharram once capsized in Wellington Harbour. I asked on the Wharram Site Forum if anybody knew about this and Don Brazier confirmed that it did happen some time back. Don reported that the boat was a Tangaroa and was very lightly loaded and the skipper was testing it by sailing to windward to find its limits. He said that the wind at the airport at the time was gusting at 35kts so what the wind may have been channeled through the higher hills down to the harbour he didn't know.<br />
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I imagine that very very few larger Wharrams have ever gone over, though?<br />
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Greg F