Tiki 38 for a Family of 4? - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T16:00:51Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/tiki-38-for-a-family-of-4?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A128421&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYes Bob we really did build a…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-04-25:2195841:Comment:1288762015-04-25T03:06:30.762ZPatrick John McGrathhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/PatrickJohnMcGrath
<p>Yes Bob we really did build a Tehini in 4 weeks. We had a rented light industrial unit which was big enough.</p>
<p>We had a smooth flat and level concrete floor. We dyna-bolted 2 x4 wood pieces to the floor at the frame stations . We Made up the hull frames and stem with legs and stood them up in position . Laid stringer, keel and gunnel wood lengths side-ways on the floor and used a skill saw to cut the diagonals for scarfing to full length with epoxy glue. Glued in the keel web and keel,…</p>
<p>Yes Bob we really did build a Tehini in 4 weeks. We had a rented light industrial unit which was big enough.</p>
<p>We had a smooth flat and level concrete floor. We dyna-bolted 2 x4 wood pieces to the floor at the frame stations . We Made up the hull frames and stem with legs and stood them up in position . Laid stringer, keel and gunnel wood lengths side-ways on the floor and used a skill saw to cut the diagonals for scarfing to full length with epoxy glue. Glued in the keel web and keel, followed by gunnels and stringers. Planked the framework with oregon ply, which had been pre-coated with two coats of thin epoxy. There was little or no fairing to be done so we just taped the seams with glass tape and epoxy, then gave the whole exterior a final coat of epoxy and two coats of dark blue marine paint. The hulls were then turned over set up in cradles and the the interior was basically laid out and painted. The decks were installed and painted and the two hulls were shipped by truck to the warehouse on the Toronto docks, where the client assembled the steel crossbeams and rigging to his own requirements. I'll see if I can put up some pictures. </p> Patrick John McGrath said:…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-04-25:2195841:Comment:1291082015-04-25T02:15:09.628ZPatrick John McGrathhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/PatrickJohnMcGrath
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Patrick John McGrath said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/comment/show?id=2195841%3AComment%3A128875&xn_out=json&firstPage=0&lastPage=1&xg_token=039388fda6c4bc09f688e7ea844e3808&_=1429927387753#2195841Comment128875"><div><p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Bob Bois said:…</cite></p>
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<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Patrick John McGrath said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/comment/show?id=2195841%3AComment%3A128875&xn_out=json&firstPage=0&lastPage=1&xg_token=039388fda6c4bc09f688e7ea844e3808&_=1429927387753#2195841Comment128875"><div><p><br/> <br/> <cite>Bob Bois said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/tiki-38-for-a-family-of-4?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A128661#2195841Comment128661"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>You built a Tehini in 4 weeks? Now that is a story I would like to hear!<br/> <cite>Patrick John McGrath said:</cite></p>
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<p>We, (that is 4 people), built a Tehini in 4 weeks. It will take you longer, but not much more, with planned use of your time.</p>
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You built a…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-04-25:2195841:Comment:1288752015-04-25T02:14:22.857ZPatrick John McGrathhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/PatrickJohnMcGrath
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Bob Bois said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/tiki-38-for-a-family-of-4?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A128661#2195841Comment128661"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>You built a Tehini in 4 weeks? Now that is a story I would like to hear!<br></br> <cite>Patrick John McGrath said:…</cite></p>
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<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Bob Bois said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/tiki-38-for-a-family-of-4?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A128661#2195841Comment128661"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>You built a Tehini in 4 weeks? Now that is a story I would like to hear!<br/> <cite>Patrick John McGrath said:</cite></p>
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<p>We, (that is 4 people), built a Tehini in 4 weeks. It will take you longer, but not much more, with planned use of your time.</p>
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</blockquote> Peace IV is a Tiki 46 for sal…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-04-11:2195841:Comment:1287172015-04-11T06:04:48.462ZAnn and Neville Clementhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AnnandNevilleClement922
<p>Peace IV is a Tiki 46 for sale. You could not even buy the materials for the price of this completed boat that is all ready to go. We lived on Peace for 12 years and had many visitors and she is ready to go - only needs fresh paint. Everything else seems to be just fine. We must change down to a smaller boat that I can easily single hand at my age because Nev's balance is off and it is just not safe for him to be on deck underway. See my post about the sale on this page.</p>
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<p>Peace IV is a Tiki 46 for sale. You could not even buy the materials for the price of this completed boat that is all ready to go. We lived on Peace for 12 years and had many visitors and she is ready to go - only needs fresh paint. Everything else seems to be just fine. We must change down to a smaller boat that I can easily single hand at my age because Nev's balance is off and it is just not safe for him to be on deck underway. See my post about the sale on this page.</p>
<p>Ann</p> You built a Tehini in 4 weeks…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-04-10:2195841:Comment:1286612015-04-10T23:10:06.491ZBob Boishttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BobBois
<p>You built a Tehini in 4 weeks? Now that is a story I would like to hear!<br/> <cite>Patrick John McGrath said:</cite></p>
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<p>We, (that is 4 people), built a Tehini in 4 weeks. It will take you longer, but not much more, with planned use of your time.</p>
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<p>You built a Tehini in 4 weeks? Now that is a story I would like to hear!<br/> <cite>Patrick John McGrath said:</cite></p>
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<p>We, (that is 4 people), built a Tehini in 4 weeks. It will take you longer, but not much more, with planned use of your time.</p>
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</blockquote> For Godness sake build the bi…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-03-30:2195841:Comment:1284212015-03-30T23:50:07.740ZPatrick John McGrathhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/PatrickJohnMcGrath
<p>For Godness sake build the biggest boat yo can afford.</p>
<p>The Wharram building system is so simple that a big boat is just as easy to build as a smaller one. </p>
<p>Go for a Tehini if you have that big family.</p>
<p>We, (that is 4 people), built a Tehini in 4 weeks. It will take you longer, but not much more, with planned use of your time.</p>
<p>Liveaboard is serious stuff. Believe me, you don't only need the room, you need some privacy too.</p>
<p>The Tehini is a great boat, because…</p>
<p>For Godness sake build the biggest boat yo can afford.</p>
<p>The Wharram building system is so simple that a big boat is just as easy to build as a smaller one. </p>
<p>Go for a Tehini if you have that big family.</p>
<p>We, (that is 4 people), built a Tehini in 4 weeks. It will take you longer, but not much more, with planned use of your time.</p>
<p>Liveaboard is serious stuff. Believe me, you don't only need the room, you need some privacy too.</p>
<p>The Tehini is a great boat, because you can compartmentize it very effectively. just my own experience.</p> I think you need to try and w…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-12-17:2195841:Comment:1239872014-12-17T08:48:00.729ZRobert Hugheshttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RobertHughes
<p>I think you need to try and work out what's actually driving you. Is it the idea of being a boat builder, or of going sailing? It's hard to look objectively deep inside your own head and answer a question like that, and maybe you should find someone you trust who has no view either way to help you talk it through. Bear in mind the way you look at it is likely to change over the next few years, especially with growing children. Don't assume they'll be interested in building or in…</p>
<p>I think you need to try and work out what's actually driving you. Is it the idea of being a boat builder, or of going sailing? It's hard to look objectively deep inside your own head and answer a question like that, and maybe you should find someone you trust who has no view either way to help you talk it through. Bear in mind the way you look at it is likely to change over the next few years, especially with growing children. Don't assume they'll be interested in building or in sailing. If they are it's a huge bonus, but they might not have the slightest interest in either activity, or even hate it. I think generally kids are much more likely to have fun with a smaller boat, that they're more in contact with and can do more with. If you've got a Tiki 21 they can take it out themselves as soon as they've got the experience and are responsible enough, probably in their early teens. They can't do that with a 38 or 46. My personal rule of thumb is that for maximum fun you should be able to lean over the side and trail your hand in the water!!</p>
<p>An absolutely critical factor to consider before you take on a big build - What does your partner think about it? They need to be <em>at least</em> as sure as you are. If they're at all unsure now, it will get much worse as the years go by and they see less and less of you. It's a recipe for a personal disaster, especially if you've got young kids.</p>
<p>One final caution about a long build. If you change your mind, partly completed boats sell for next to nothing. If you give up half way through, the project could be very difficult to get rid of and you almost certainly won't even get back the cost of the materials. Consider whatever you spend as sunk money until it's finished.</p>
<p>I'm not saying "don't build". Many people do finish their projects and get a hell of a lot of satisfaction and well-earned "bragging rights" from it. What I am saying is go into it with your eyes wide open, and most importantly consider your partner.</p>
<p>My background, so you can see where I'm coming from with this, is that I enjoy building at least as much as sailing. My wife has no particular interest in either. I've built several boats over the years, from a small speedboat up to a cruising yacht that I sailed to the Caribbean and back. When my boys were small we built an outrigger canoe together. It was on their scale and they could see it right through without losing interest. On sheltered water they could play with it on their own and they both grew up with a love of the sea. A few years ago I considered building a big Wharram, but decided against it because I knew I would have changed and circumstances would have changed by the time it was finished. Instead I bought an old Tiki 26 in tatty condition, and I can spend as much time as I want modifying it and making it as good as new, or maybe even better!</p>
<p>Good luck whichever way you go!</p> If you want a boat that you c…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-12-17:2195841:Comment:1240242014-12-17T03:13:34.148ZJeremy Walkerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/JeremyWalker
<p>If you want a boat that you cannot buy - because there is none such available or because you cannot afford to lay out the cash, then building is a way forward in life. I started building on a minimum budget.........not a Wharram, but a cat would have been no more of a financial burden, and in fact may have cost even less in the end. Anyway, there was only a partnership with no children when the build started, until one showed up. He was brought up around a boatyard where there was more space…</p>
<p>If you want a boat that you cannot buy - because there is none such available or because you cannot afford to lay out the cash, then building is a way forward in life. I started building on a minimum budget.........not a Wharram, but a cat would have been no more of a financial burden, and in fact may have cost even less in the end. Anyway, there was only a partnership with no children when the build started, until one showed up. He was brought up around a boatyard where there was more space to play than in an inner city rented apartment, and learned much more than he would have watching TV. He grew up with an affinity for boats and is now the owner of his own Wahrram tiki. So yeah, kids and boatbuilding can mix. There is of course the risk that it may not work out, but you won't know without trying.</p>
<p>Having said that, I agree with the other guys that you will do well to just buy a complete or partly complete boat if you can of ford it............Wharrams are not that unique that you have to build your very own.</p> If you build, your children w…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-12-17:2195841:Comment:1238842014-12-17T03:10:28.673Zjim nicholshttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/jimnichols
<p>If you build, your children will be grown, your dream will still be a dream and you will be older and frustrated and no closer to sailing. If you buy, you will see the finished product at the outset and can still make any modifications you want. Unless you buy junk because you can't really afford your dream in the first place there will be enough ship building/repair for anyone except guy who would rather build than sail. If you spend enough time in boatyards you'll come away an…</p>
<p>If you build, your children will be grown, your dream will still be a dream and you will be older and frustrated and no closer to sailing. If you buy, you will see the finished product at the outset and can still make any modifications you want. Unless you buy junk because you can't really afford your dream in the first place there will be enough ship building/repair for anyone except guy who would rather build than sail. If you spend enough time in boatyards you'll come away an understanding over the years that these old boats whether wood, composite, metal, or fiberglass are a perpetual reconstruction project. They say each flight hour in a helicopter requires two hours of maintenance. Boats aren't that bad but the concept is the same.</p> Josh, how about building the…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-12-16:2195841:Comment:1240212014-12-16T20:08:51.369ZJay Bennetthttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/JayBennett
<p>Josh, how about building the Tiki 21.....this will take you no where near as long as the larger 38 and will still give you a taste of boat building and the effect it has on your time and family life...... ending in a result that satisfies the building desire and a small cruiser to see how the family enjoys it. </p>
<p>Once you have ticked all the boxes then you could look at purchasing a larger boat. </p>
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<p>Josh, how about building the Tiki 21.....this will take you no where near as long as the larger 38 and will still give you a taste of boat building and the effect it has on your time and family life...... ending in a result that satisfies the building desire and a small cruiser to see how the family enjoys it. </p>
<p>Once you have ticked all the boxes then you could look at purchasing a larger boat. </p>
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