Tiki 30 mast measurements - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T01:39:57Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/tiki-30-mast-measurements?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A156994&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI do like the Tiki rig. A lot…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-11-28:2195841:Comment:1572892017-11-28T03:57:01.449ZMaxim Jurgenshttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/MaximJurgens
<p>I do like the Tiki rig. A lot . I like the looks and the ease of trim of all sides of the sail .It performs well on all points of sail. What I like a lot too is that one can get rid of the sail in just moments without having to turn into the wind . Very convenient if you sail in an area with frequent squalls . What i do not like is the cumbersome way it is reefed , this is more so a hassle when one has a bimini . One can add a boom which makes the sail easier to reef but then one largely…</p>
<p>I do like the Tiki rig. A lot . I like the looks and the ease of trim of all sides of the sail .It performs well on all points of sail. What I like a lot too is that one can get rid of the sail in just moments without having to turn into the wind . Very convenient if you sail in an area with frequent squalls . What i do not like is the cumbersome way it is reefed , this is more so a hassle when one has a bimini . One can add a boom which makes the sail easier to reef but then one largely loses the abililty to drop the sail without turning into the wind .</p>
<p>if you want a larger sail area ,simply make a larger mast. We have a brand new Tiki 30 with a mast 2 mtr longer then standard . You get quite a bit of extra sail area . Not only the main but also the jib and the screecher or gennaker . We make our masts out of simple alu pipe with wooden inserts for top and foot . Easy , quick and cheap </p>
<p>What also helps is eliminating the hated forestay bridle and replacing it with a beam & gull striker. You get better windward performance and the possibility to make a larger jib.as the tack of the jib can be lower.</p>
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<p>We also built a "Hitia " 26 , i.e. two T 26 hulls minus the cabins . Decks raised to hull top level . Beam increased by 90cm , beam nr 2 and 3 mast sections from a wrecked 42 ft trimaran, beam nr 1 (not counting the beam for the forestay ) 4 " dia alu pipe . Rig of the boat is that of a Tiki 30 , albeit that the foot of the main is slightly shortened to maintain the correct angle between clew and main sheet . We use her for camping charter . She goes like stink. Due to the increased beam she is very stable too and we still have to reef only rarely . </p>
<p>Increasing the beam also results in maintaining shroud angles which are still acceptable when using a taller then standard mast .</p>
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<p> Siam Sailing, Phuket, Thailand</p>
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<p></p> Well that certainly opens up…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-11-23:2195841:Comment:1567482017-11-23T16:22:43.313ZSean Maguirehttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/SeanMaguire
<p>Well that certainly opens up a lot of options on the used sail market. tnx <br/> <br/> <cite>boatsmith said:</cite></p>
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<p>I use aluminum masts with a big roach full batten marconi sail</p>
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<p>Well that certainly opens up a lot of options on the used sail market. tnx <br/> <br/> <cite>boatsmith said:</cite></p>
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<p>I use aluminum masts with a big roach full batten marconi sail</p>
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</blockquote> I use aluminum masts with a…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-11-23:2195841:Comment:1566662017-11-23T00:59:52.293Zboatsmithhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/qe0j3ojqb10
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<p>I use aluminum masts with a big roach full batten marconi sail</p>
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<p>I use aluminum masts with a big roach full batten marconi sail</p> What other options are there…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-11-22:2195841:Comment:1567402017-11-22T00:32:37.365ZSean Maguirehttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/SeanMaguire
<p>What other options are there for the mainsail? I always imagined the wingsail was just a shortcut to make the mast easier to build, essentially to avoid making channels for a boltrope type rig, but getting a similar effect. I remember you had less than great performance from it on your way to Bimini when you finished the T30. I wasn't sure if you ever replaced it with something else or not. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>boatsmith said:…</cite></p>
<p>What other options are there for the mainsail? I always imagined the wingsail was just a shortcut to make the mast easier to build, essentially to avoid making channels for a boltrope type rig, but getting a similar effect. I remember you had less than great performance from it on your way to Bimini when you finished the T30. I wasn't sure if you ever replaced it with something else or not. <br/> <br/> <cite>boatsmith said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/tiki-30-mast-measurements#2195841Comment156636"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>add a sprit. I personally won't use the gaff wingsail again. The stock T30 rig was in my opinion too small for the boat. </p>
<p>never once did we reef. several times in 35-40 apparent wind speed. </p>
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</blockquote> I don't like the designtag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-11-13:2195841:Comment:1570042017-11-13T11:05:54.263Zboatsmithhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/qe0j3ojqb10
<p>I don't like the design</p>
<p>I don't like the design</p> Boatsmith, would you not use…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-11-12:2195841:Comment:1568292017-11-12T02:02:04.486ZZach Johnsonhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/ZachJohnson
Boatsmith, would you not use the wingsail again because of its design or because of its size on your boat?
Boatsmith, would you not use the wingsail again because of its design or because of its size on your boat? I think that most Wharram sai…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-11-11:2195841:Comment:1568282017-11-11T13:53:16.259ZBudget Boaterhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BudgetBoater
<p>I think that most Wharram sailors consider that a positive benefit of the design. For light air performance I added an 8' pole connected to Beam 1, which was used for setting light air sails to keep the speed up.</p>
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<p>I do however prefer taller masts, mostly for the benefit of setting larger light air sails.</p>
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<p>I think that most Wharram sailors consider that a positive benefit of the design. For light air performance I added an 8' pole connected to Beam 1, which was used for setting light air sails to keep the speed up.</p>
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<p>I do however prefer taller masts, mostly for the benefit of setting larger light air sails.</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/tiki-30-mast-measurements?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A156636&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2195841Comment156636"><div><p>The stock T30 rig was in my opinion too small for the boat. </p>
<p>never once did we reef. several times in 35-40 apparent wind speed. </p>
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</blockquote> add a sprit. I personally won…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-11-11:2195841:Comment:1566362017-11-11T10:59:14.277Zboatsmithhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/qe0j3ojqb10
<p>add a sprit. I personally won't use the gaff wingsail again. The stock T30 rig was in my opinion too small for the boat. </p>
<p>never once did we reef. several times in 35-40 apparent wind speed. </p>
<p>add a sprit. I personally won't use the gaff wingsail again. The stock T30 rig was in my opinion too small for the boat. </p>
<p>never once did we reef. several times in 35-40 apparent wind speed. </p> Leaving the sails shaped as o…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-11-09:2195841:Comment:1566252017-11-09T18:00:28.420ZZach Johnsonhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/ZachJohnson
Leaving the sails shaped as originally designed and simply shifting the mast position would do as you say for sure. While I won't be able to do anything about the deficiencies created with the jib's shortened foot, I'm planning to resize the main to correct the lee helm problem.
Leaving the sails shaped as originally designed and simply shifting the mast position would do as you say for sure. While I won't be able to do anything about the deficiencies created with the jib's shortened foot, I'm planning to resize the main to correct the lee helm problem. More beam and more sail are p…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-11-09:2195841:Comment:1569952017-11-09T17:27:33.096Zboatsmithhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/qe0j3ojqb10
<p>More beam and more sail are plus more room sounds like the path to true enchantment to me. If the Tanenui is well balanced on the original plans then moving the mast forward will move the center of effort forward as well. This would cause lee helm. It would also shorten the foot of the jib which would result in a skinnier, more pointy topped jib which is also less efficient. Just my thoughts.</p>
<p>More beam and more sail are plus more room sounds like the path to true enchantment to me. If the Tanenui is well balanced on the original plans then moving the mast forward will move the center of effort forward as well. This would cause lee helm. It would also shorten the foot of the jib which would result in a skinnier, more pointy topped jib which is also less efficient. Just my thoughts.</p>