strong point for drogue - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T07:22:34Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/strong-point-for-drogue?x=1&id=2195841%3ATopic%3A20920&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSorry, I was mistaken: 2nd be…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2022-02-04:2195841:Comment:2924272022-02-04T12:37:30.604ZJordihttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Jordi
<p>Sorry, I was mistaken: 2nd beam, with fairleads on the 1st beam. The bridle would be attached to cleats at the end of the beams. It's in page 31 of the [my] Tiki 30 building plans.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>patrick lennon said:</cite></p>
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<p>Sorry, I was mistaken: 2nd beam, with fairleads on the 1st beam. The bridle would be attached to cleats at the end of the beams. It's in page 31 of the [my] Tiki 30 building plans.<br/> <br/> <cite>patrick lennon said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/strong-point-for-drogue?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A150023#2195841Comment289454"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>How exactly would the bridle be attached to the front beam?</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/strong-point-for-drogue?id=2195841%3ATopic%3A20920&page=2#2195841Comment150023"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Thanks Roger.</p>
<p>The building plans do indeed recommend tying the anchor briddle to the front beam and not the deck cleats "for serious anchoring". (To clarify: I'm talking about a Tiki 30 in my case.)</p>
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</blockquote> How exactly would the bridle…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2021-08-27:2195841:Comment:2894542021-08-27T08:00:09.662Zpatrick lennonhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/patricklennon
<p>How exactly would the bridle be attached to the front beam?</p>
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jordi said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/strong-point-for-drogue?id=2195841%3ATopic%3A20920&page=2#2195841Comment150023"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Thanks Roger.</p>
<p>The building plans do indeed recommend tying the anchor briddle to the front beam and not the deck cleats "for serious anchoring". (To clarify: I'm talking about a Tiki 30 in my…</p>
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<p>How exactly would the bridle be attached to the front beam?</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/strong-point-for-drogue?id=2195841%3ATopic%3A20920&page=2#2195841Comment150023"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Thanks Roger.</p>
<p>The building plans do indeed recommend tying the anchor briddle to the front beam and not the deck cleats "for serious anchoring". (To clarify: I'm talking about a Tiki 30 in my case.)</p>
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</blockquote> I don't think a thread like t…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2021-08-23:2195841:Comment:2894422021-08-23T23:32:33.096ZNeilRhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/NeilRogers
<p>I don't think a thread like this will ever get old and is of high interest. </p>
<p>I found this video recently and although a small mono, it is interesting to see an actual deployment of a JSD and the forces working on the boat.</p>
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<p>I don't think a thread like this will ever get old and is of high interest. </p>
<p>I found this video recently and although a small mono, it is interesting to see an actual deployment of a JSD and the forces working on the boat.</p>
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<p><a href="https://youtu.be/IUfHUGHwdaw" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/IUfHUGHwdaw</a></p>
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<p></p> PS note that my beams are alu…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-03-08:2195841:Comment:1500262017-03-08T15:35:59.923ZRogerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RogerSullivan
<p>PS note that my beams are aluminum so the "holes" are in a thick plate bolted to the beams - would be more complicated with a wooden beam. We get high winds here but not so much waves (only one to two feet max). In a life or death situation at sea, a failure of the front lashings would lose the drogue and the beam. Don't know if the lashings are more or less fail safe than well designed hull strong points.</p>
<p>PS note that my beams are aluminum so the "holes" are in a thick plate bolted to the beams - would be more complicated with a wooden beam. We get high winds here but not so much waves (only one to two feet max). In a life or death situation at sea, a failure of the front lashings would lose the drogue and the beam. Don't know if the lashings are more or less fail safe than well designed hull strong points.</p> Thanks Roger.
The building pl…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-03-08:2195841:Comment:1500232017-03-08T09:37:12.521ZJordihttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Jordi
<p>Thanks Roger.</p>
<p>The building plans do indeed recommend tying the anchor briddle to the front beam and not the deck cleats "for serious anchoring". (To clarify: I'm talking about a Tiki 30 in my case.)</p>
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<p>Thanks Roger.</p>
<p>The building plans do indeed recommend tying the anchor briddle to the front beam and not the deck cleats "for serious anchoring". (To clarify: I'm talking about a Tiki 30 in my case.)</p>
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I use a length of 5…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-03-08:2195841:Comment:1498482017-03-08T02:51:58.731ZRogerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RogerSullivan
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<p>I use a length of 5/16" dyneema doubled up in a knotted loop through a hole in each (inner) end of my front beam. The eyes on my mooring bridle are shackled to the dyneema loops, rather than the beam. The dyneema shows no wear after two years - that stuff is amazing. Yes, 50 knots no worries. We get 30 knots here during the winter all the time. The mooring bridle is 1/2" 3-strand nylon which is nice and stretchy.</p>
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<p>I use a length of 5/16" dyneema doubled up in a knotted loop through a hole in each (inner) end of my front beam. The eyes on my mooring bridle are shackled to the dyneema loops, rather than the beam. The dyneema shows no wear after two years - that stuff is amazing. Yes, 50 knots no worries. We get 30 knots here during the winter all the time. The mooring bridle is 1/2" 3-strand nylon which is nice and stretchy.</p> Roger, have you had any conce…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-03-08:2195841:Comment:1498472017-03-08T02:27:04.478ZBrad Ingramhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BradIngram
<p>Roger, have you had any concern about the anchor rode and bridle leg chafing on the forestay bridle when the boat starts pitching when on anchor? I have had some concern with this but haven't been on anchor in such winds yet. </p>
<p>Roger, have you had any concern about the anchor rode and bridle leg chafing on the forestay bridle when the boat starts pitching when on anchor? I have had some concern with this but haven't been on anchor in such winds yet. </p> I have not experienced any pa…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-03-08:2195841:Comment:1498442017-03-08T01:56:11.917ZRogerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RogerSullivan
<p>I have not experienced any parachute-like storm conditions. But Little Cat is moored in a quite open position and gets pounded by the SF Bay winds frequently. A couple of weeks ago we had sustained winds over 50 knots with gusts to 60 knots without problems on the mooring. The bridle from the mooring lines terminate next to the inner lashings on the front beam, and this seems very strong. I have watched the front beam in big gusts (while moored) and don't see any movement. Although not as…</p>
<p>I have not experienced any parachute-like storm conditions. But Little Cat is moored in a quite open position and gets pounded by the SF Bay winds frequently. A couple of weeks ago we had sustained winds over 50 knots with gusts to 60 knots without problems on the mooring. The bridle from the mooring lines terminate next to the inner lashings on the front beam, and this seems very strong. I have watched the front beam in big gusts (while moored) and don't see any movement. Although not as good as fixed strong points on the hull, this seems to work well also.</p> Rory just has 6" alloy cleats…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-03-07:2195841:Comment:1501092017-03-07T03:01:34.896ZBrad Ingramhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BradIngram
<p>Rory just has 6" alloy cleats on the aft deck that he runs a bridle off of. I have the same setup but have not used it yet. Tiki 26 is a good bit larger boat though!</p>
<p>Rory just has 6" alloy cleats on the aft deck that he runs a bridle off of. I have the same setup but have not used it yet. Tiki 26 is a good bit larger boat though!</p> Hi,
Any developments / furthe…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-03-05:2195841:Comment:1499162017-03-05T18:46:45.635ZJordihttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Jordi
<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Any developments / further experiences in this area? Anyone who could repost the picture in Kim's answer, which is gone from the referenced location?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Any developments / further experiences in this area? Anyone who could repost the picture in Kim's answer, which is gone from the referenced location?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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