sqare sails compared to spinnakers - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T10:27:34Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/sqare-sails-compared-to-spinnakers?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A151405&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks Ian for the video.tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-06-07:2195841:Comment:1516932017-06-07T23:49:29.446ZBrett Parkerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BrettParker
<p>Thanks Ian for the video.</p>
<p>Thanks Ian for the video.</p> Hi Brett, the A2 usually goes…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-06-06:2195841:Comment:1513342017-06-06T12:14:33.498ZIan Bamseyhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/IanBamsey
<p>Hi Brett, the A2 usually goes up higher. It's just up quickly here to dry whilst we unloaded after a few days. The sprit just gets the sail further in front of the main to catch more breeze. The whole thing is a bit of fun and not all based on experience or knowledge, so don't read too much into it.</p>
<p>On the subject of downwind angles, this just popped up on Twitter. …</p>
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<p>Hi Brett, the A2 usually goes up higher. It's just up quickly here to dry whilst we unloaded after a few days. The sprit just gets the sail further in front of the main to catch more breeze. The whole thing is a bit of fun and not all based on experience or knowledge, so don't read too much into it.</p>
<p>On the subject of downwind angles, this just popped up on Twitter. </p>
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</p> Thanks BB will experiement a…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-06-02:2195841:Comment:1512502017-06-02T22:07:48.702ZBrett Parkerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BrettParker
<p>Thanks BB will experiement a bit more with angles.</p>
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<p>Hi Ian. Hope that boat is well tied to the wharf! She looks like whe wants to get going!!</p>
<p>Wow that looks really great. Interesting that your A2 doesn't go to the top of the mast. Is there a reason for that? Intersting too you are using a sprit rather than the rope traveler between the bows. Well done.</p>
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<p>Thanks BB will experiement a bit more with angles.</p>
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<p>Hi Ian. Hope that boat is well tied to the wharf! She looks like whe wants to get going!!</p>
<p>Wow that looks really great. Interesting that your A2 doesn't go to the top of the mast. Is there a reason for that? Intersting too you are using a sprit rather than the rope traveler between the bows. Well done.</p>
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<p></p> I've built an A2 downwind sai…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-06-02:2195841:Comment:1512492017-06-02T07:33:38.508ZIan Bamseyhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/IanBamsey
<p>I've built an A2 downwind sail. First outing last weekend and it's good at around 140 to 170 degs. <a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930106075?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930106075?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-left"/></a></p>
<p>I've built an A2 downwind sail. First outing last weekend and it's good at around 140 to 170 degs. <a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930106075?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930106075?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-left"/></a></p> Yes, 20 degrees off the stern…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-06-01:2195841:Comment:1515122017-06-01T23:49:23.992ZBudget Boaterhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BudgetBoater
<p>Yes, 20 degrees off the sterns will definitely increase speed made good and keep the sail filled.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Ian Bamsey said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/sqare-sails-compared-to-spinnakers#2195841Comment151408"><div><p>Is it not better to sail the angles to increase the apparent wind and keep the sail shape? Last year I sailed down wind all the way home. I watched another Tiki sail big legs at angles. He was home well before…</p>
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<p>Yes, 20 degrees off the sterns will definitely increase speed made good and keep the sail filled.<br/> <br/> <cite>Ian Bamsey said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/sqare-sails-compared-to-spinnakers#2195841Comment151408"><div><p>Is it not better to sail the angles to increase the apparent wind and keep the sail shape? Last year I sailed down wind all the way home. I watched another Tiki sail big legs at angles. He was home well before me.</p>
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</blockquote> You can set your sights off m…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-06-01:2195841:Comment:1515112017-06-01T08:15:41.561ZBrett Parkerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BrettParker
<p>You can set your sights off my gennaker bro! Cheeky bugger:)</p>
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<p>I mostly use it on its own. It makes for such easy sailing except when it has a hissy fit, which tends to be in fresher conditions so I may be doing something wrong. I saw an interesting article on square sails and they look pretty versatile and easy to reef.</p>
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<p>I agree you could make a very cheap sail here with some cheaps tarps and bamboo. The widths of our boats is handy too!</p>
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<p>You can set your sights off my gennaker bro! Cheeky bugger:)</p>
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<p>I mostly use it on its own. It makes for such easy sailing except when it has a hissy fit, which tends to be in fresher conditions so I may be doing something wrong. I saw an interesting article on square sails and they look pretty versatile and easy to reef.</p>
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<p>I agree you could make a very cheap sail here with some cheaps tarps and bamboo. The widths of our boats is handy too!</p>
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<p>Hi Ian. Thats interesting. I think I must be getting lazy in my old age because I love just setting the gennie and self steering and cranking up the stereo. Its always fun to sail with other boats because you tend to sail better. But no-one ever owns up to actually "racing" though aye!</p>
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<p>Any one experimented with square sails?</p> Is it not better to sail the…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-06-01:2195841:Comment:1514082017-06-01T07:59:20.199ZIan Bamseyhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/IanBamsey
<p>Is it not better to sail the angles to increase the apparent wind and keep the sail shape? Last year I sailed down wind all the way home. I watched another Tiki sail big legs at angles. He was home well before me.</p>
<p>Is it not better to sail the angles to increase the apparent wind and keep the sail shape? Last year I sailed down wind all the way home. I watched another Tiki sail big legs at angles. He was home well before me.</p> downwind sails are usually ea…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-06-01:2195841:Comment:1514052017-06-01T06:38:27.722Zdave tomlinsonhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/davetomlinson
<p>downwind sails are usually easier and more stable if flown on their own , without the main blanketing them. There is an old guy here that went around the world using a cheaply made square sail downwind in the trades, like the old square riggers, You could experiment with a cheap tarp and a pole for an upper boom, in fact I would swap a nice warehouse tarp and some bamboo for your troublesome gennaker if you like. !!! When you see what local boats use in the tropics you realize that a…</p>
<p>downwind sails are usually easier and more stable if flown on their own , without the main blanketing them. There is an old guy here that went around the world using a cheaply made square sail downwind in the trades, like the old square riggers, You could experiment with a cheap tarp and a pole for an upper boom, in fact I would swap a nice warehouse tarp and some bamboo for your troublesome gennaker if you like. !!! When you see what local boats use in the tropics you realize that a few cheap tarps and bamboo poles could be handy if you had rig or sail damage on the way somewhere. I have a furling screecher that I will try for downwind but will look out for a spinnaker as well. Pretty slow downwind with working sails if under 15 knots, where as a good gennaker can take you from motoring in light winds to a very smooth 6 knots or more</p> thanks BB. Yes I do square it…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-06-01:2195841:Comment:1512442017-06-01T02:00:14.009ZBrett Parkerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BrettParker
<p>thanks BB. Yes I do square it up, but maybe I need to work more on the trim and set. I think the problem occurs more when the wind is up and the boat is self steering and the bum can get thrown around a little with a following sea, which would change the trim somewhat....</p>
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<p>I do find the gennaker a great sail in general. Would be nice if you could reef them sometimes.</p>
<p>thanks BB. Yes I do square it up, but maybe I need to work more on the trim and set. I think the problem occurs more when the wind is up and the boat is self steering and the bum can get thrown around a little with a following sea, which would change the trim somewhat....</p>
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<p>I do find the gennaker a great sail in general. Would be nice if you could reef them sometimes.</p> What are square sails?
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<p>What are square sails?</p>
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<p>Why is your gennaker collapsing? When a gennaker collapses it is usually caused by improper trim, improper set, or the wind it too light. The great thing about flying asymmetrical spinnakers on multis is that you can square them up when running by moving the tack to the opposite hull.</p>
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<p>What are square sails?</p>
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<p>Why is your gennaker collapsing? When a gennaker collapses it is usually caused by improper trim, improper set, or the wind it too light. The great thing about flying asymmetrical spinnakers on multis is that you can square them up when running by moving the tack to the opposite hull.</p>