Lower hull panels on my Tiki 38 doesn't fit properly...? - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T05:02:57Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/lower-hull-panels-on-my-tiki-38-doesn-t-fit-properly?feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi Grant,
I'm currently fitti…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2023-05-17:2195841:Comment:2991922023-05-17T21:29:46.380ZEamon Greenhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/EamonGreen
<p>Hi Grant,</p>
<p>I'm currently fitting lower hull panels on my T38 build. Check out my posts on Instagram @buildingwarrior2</p>
<p>I'm really enjoying the process and no major problems so far! I strongly recommend adding a Chine Stringer which is not on the plans but is mentioned in the notes.</p>
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<p>Hi Grant,</p>
<p>I'm currently fitting lower hull panels on my T38 build. Check out my posts on Instagram @buildingwarrior2</p>
<p>I'm really enjoying the process and no major problems so far! I strongly recommend adding a Chine Stringer which is not on the plans but is mentioned in the notes.</p>
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<p></p> 10 years down the track and o…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2023-05-14:2195841:Comment:2988152023-05-14T06:40:33.175ZGrant Waughhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GrantWaugh
<p>10 years down the track and our T38 build research brings us to this exact same point. I have now seen pictures of several builds where this clearly noticeable so can at least continue reassured I guess. I was also wondering how best to tie/blend in the upper and lower panel where they connect at bow and stern and whether that common stringer was tapered off just there...</p>
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<p>10 years down the track and our T38 build research brings us to this exact same point. I have now seen pictures of several builds where this clearly noticeable so can at least continue reassured I guess. I was also wondering how best to tie/blend in the upper and lower panel where they connect at bow and stern and whether that common stringer was tapered off just there...</p>
<p></p> Finished ! Lower hull panels…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-05-03:2195841:Comment:997382013-05-03T08:22:33.633ZKlaus Pedersenhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/KlausPedersen
<p>Finished ! Lower hull panels and stringers in place and all is well thanks to the Great Epoxy God. Photos below. Now, of course, I will have to deal with a lovely Wharram Wobble. This seems to be a common problem and can be fixed with brute force. Very well designed, this part of the building process...!…<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930093741?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930093741?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a></p>
<p>Finished ! Lower hull panels and stringers in place and all is well thanks to the Great Epoxy God. Photos below. Now, of course, I will have to deal with a lovely Wharram Wobble. This seems to be a common problem and can be fixed with brute force. Very well designed, this part of the building process...!<a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930093741?profile=original"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930093741?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"/></a> <a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930093848?profile=original"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1930093848?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"/></a></p> Almost finished fixing the pa…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-04-25:2195841:Comment:994062013-04-25T06:11:02.904ZKlaus Pedersenhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/KlausPedersen
<p>Almost finished fixing the panels in place - looking Ok. Should probably get one of those tees and wear it at all times when building.</p>
<p>Cheers Klaus</p>
<p>Almost finished fixing the panels in place - looking Ok. Should probably get one of those tees and wear it at all times when building.</p>
<p>Cheers Klaus</p> Klaus,
Your problem is not a…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-04-24:2195841:Comment:993072013-04-24T11:22:07.624ZBudget Boaterhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BudgetBoater
<p>Klaus,</p>
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<p>Your problem is not at all uncommon. Chuck came up with an appropriate saying for those building a Wharram:</p>
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<p><strong>ECAMOS</strong>™ <strong>Veritas</strong></p>
<p>(Epoxy Cures A Multitude Of Sins)™ is Truth</p>
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<p>Tee-shirts and hats may be soon forthcoming</p>
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<p>Scarf in a filler piece, then mix up a good batch of epoxy with micro balloons and make a nice fillet. No one will ever know the difference.</p>
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<p>Klaus,</p>
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<p>Your problem is not at all uncommon. Chuck came up with an appropriate saying for those building a Wharram:</p>
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<p><strong>ECAMOS</strong>™ <strong>Veritas</strong></p>
<p>(Epoxy Cures A Multitude Of Sins)™ is Truth</p>
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<p>Tee-shirts and hats may be soon forthcoming</p>
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<p>Scarf in a filler piece, then mix up a good batch of epoxy with micro balloons and make a nice fillet. No one will ever know the difference.</p>
<p></p> Thanks Klaus.
I am thinking a…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-04-18:2195841:Comment:987852013-04-18T11:01:55.453ZGalway Bayhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GalwayBay
<p>Thanks Klaus.</p>
<p>I am thinking about building again as I would like more accommodation. The limiter as always will be budget - mostly hard cash but also time. I am trying to get a "feel" for modern methods as my P 31 is from an older building style. Thanks for the comments.</p>
<p>Thanks Klaus.</p>
<p>I am thinking about building again as I would like more accommodation. The limiter as always will be budget - mostly hard cash but also time. I am trying to get a "feel" for modern methods as my P 31 is from an older building style. Thanks for the comments.</p> Hi there - not entirely sure…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-04-18:2195841:Comment:987792013-04-18T08:32:49.027ZKlaus Pedersenhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/KlausPedersen
Hi there - not entirely sure what your point is. If you got issues with the design of the Tiki 38 and the building process perhaps you should take it up with the Wharrams. I have built several boats, including a Tiki 21 about 20 years ago, in stitch and glue and would absolutely not like to build a 38' catamaran that way. There are very few stringers and framework involved in the construction of the T38, hence the wobbly nature of the boat at this stage, and I seriously doubt it would be faster…
Hi there - not entirely sure what your point is. If you got issues with the design of the Tiki 38 and the building process perhaps you should take it up with the Wharrams. I have built several boats, including a Tiki 21 about 20 years ago, in stitch and glue and would absolutely not like to build a 38' catamaran that way. There are very few stringers and framework involved in the construction of the T38, hence the wobbly nature of the boat at this stage, and I seriously doubt it would be faster and more accurate to stitch and glue the whole thing together. Cheers Klaus I replied
I would be surpris…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-04-17:2195841:Comment:990002013-04-17T19:54:33.135ZGalway Bayhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GalwayBay
<p> I replied</p>
<p>I would be surprised if the panel measurements were wrong.</p>
<p>Well knock me over with a feather.</p>
<p> It would be a relief in a way I imagine if half a doz. builders said their panels did not fit either .....</p>
<p>Must be a relief to Klaus and I am glad he has his answer and assurances.</p>
<p>But really as someone who has been using / helping others stitch 'n glue since the 60's I cannot see the sense here. That is to say the whole point of stitch 'n glue is that…</p>
<p> I replied</p>
<p>I would be surprised if the panel measurements were wrong.</p>
<p>Well knock me over with a feather.</p>
<p> It would be a relief in a way I imagine if half a doz. builders said their panels did not fit either .....</p>
<p>Must be a relief to Klaus and I am glad he has his answer and assurances.</p>
<p>But really as someone who has been using / helping others stitch 'n glue since the 60's I cannot see the sense here. That is to say the whole point of stitch 'n glue is that the shape of the boat is in the very very accurate panels. Once these are stitched together - there is your hull. The exact same hull every time. Accurate enough to permit the building of restricted class racing dinghies. This is where the speed is. This is where the time is saved. I cannot see this huge saving of time / weight / expense in this hybrid construction. It seems this is not so much true stitch 'n glue as conventional building-on-a-frame with some stitch'n glue substituted to speed it up some. I cannot see it as truly fast. There is a fantastic amount of detail. Apparently the panels have to be offered-up marked and then cut ? No saving there.</p>
<p>For comparison, the sort of times for true stitch'n glue, I built both hulls for an 18ft beach-cat in a weekend. Not the whole boat but I had the two hulls. A friend built a 40ft steel Van-De-Stadt fast cruiser in a similar system ie. the panels were assembled fullsize to very accurate plans and then drawn together and tacked together to produce the hull shape the frames etc. only going in after. Result- a 40ft yacht in 3yrs of part-time work. And I mean Yacht as in suberb joinery fit-out etc. Since the "Boat" part of the build went so fast he was able to really do the interior / fit out. [PYLADES - just back from 3 1/2 yr circumnavigation ]</p>
<p>True I am scaling-up from my experience with admittedly much smaller craft. But I have been thinking about this for a week now, looking at the photos on this site and peeking into the profiles of some of the contributors on this site, see how long since they started, when [???] they might finish ? Fast to build ? Yes compared to a bridgedeck cat but it looks like a huge amount of building in the hulls.</p> Thanks guys - your replies ha…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-04-07:2195841:Comment:984762013-04-07T06:34:27.952ZKlaus Pedersenhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/KlausPedersen
<p>Thanks guys - your replies have been extremely helpful. I'm going full steam ahead again and will be fitting the first lower hull panels next week thanking the Great Epoxy God for her ability to cover up any mistakes on the path forward - mine and indeed the Wharrams (hope somebody there reads some of the entries on this website) !!!</p>
<p>Cheers Klaus</p>
<p>Thanks guys - your replies have been extremely helpful. I'm going full steam ahead again and will be fitting the first lower hull panels next week thanking the Great Epoxy God for her ability to cover up any mistakes on the path forward - mine and indeed the Wharrams (hope somebody there reads some of the entries on this website) !!!</p>
<p>Cheers Klaus</p> Hi Klaus, Oh Boy this brings…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-04-05:2195841:Comment:985802013-04-05T06:17:49.979ZAlf Bangerthttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AlfBangert
<p>Hi Klaus, Oh Boy this brings back old memories...it was almost 10 years ago for me but what I recall is that there seems to be an error with lower bulkhead #6. The instructions say to line up the ply planking with the bottom corners of the bulkheads, and that works fine except for #6. I found I had to raise the stern ply (two pieces scarfed) until it was 10mm above the #6 bulkhead corner, and then it fit fine along the backbone. My building floor was dead level, checked with a…</p>
<p>Hi Klaus, Oh Boy this brings back old memories...it was almost 10 years ago for me but what I recall is that there seems to be an error with lower bulkhead #6. The instructions say to line up the ply planking with the bottom corners of the bulkheads, and that works fine except for #6. I found I had to raise the stern ply (two pieces scarfed) until it was 10mm above the #6 bulkhead corner, and then it fit fine along the backbone. My building floor was dead level, checked with a builder's transit level. All measurements were re-checked at least three times, and no error could be found in my layout. Both hulls had exactly the same result, so there is no doubt in my mind that the plans are at fault. In spite of doing this, the knuckle turned out very fair when the upper planking went on. And you do have to shape the butt ends accordingly, can't just leave them square. I am even more amazed than you that this sort of BS hasn't been corrected with so many built!</p>
<p>It's an odd experience...you have little choice but to stick to the plans, yet do so without completely trusting them. You will find yourself making the weirdest decisions along the way with serious doubts about the whole approach, yet at the end wind up with a magnificent, beautiful boat.</p>
<p>Good luck with this,</p>
<p>-Alf</p>