Hull Curve - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-28T12:50:16Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/hull-curve?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A58817&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe fact that JWD does not re…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-10-18:2195841:Comment:588172011-10-18T05:45:24.077ZRalfhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Ralf
<p>The fact that JWD does not reply to your email says everything. Hull shape and connecting structure (beams and their attachment) are the most essential part in any multihull project. Change those and you get a different boat. Why choose a Tehini if you do not like the hull shape? Why not build a T46 if that is the hull shape you like? Why investing so much money and work if you do not even know what kind of boat and what sort of sailing characteristics you will get for that? Why investing in…</p>
<p>The fact that JWD does not reply to your email says everything. Hull shape and connecting structure (beams and their attachment) are the most essential part in any multihull project. Change those and you get a different boat. Why choose a Tehini if you do not like the hull shape? Why not build a T46 if that is the hull shape you like? Why investing so much money and work if you do not even know what kind of boat and what sort of sailing characteristics you will get for that? Why investing in an untested design?</p>
<p>Ralf</p> So if I respect the architect…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-10-17:2195841:Comment:589212011-10-17T10:52:35.746ZBrian Patonhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BrianPaton
So if I respect the architect and pinch a few ideas from the Tiki 46 i.e.: the slight camber and stubby keel am I OK.
So if I respect the architect and pinch a few ideas from the Tiki 46 i.e.: the slight camber and stubby keel am I OK. well said mate.tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-10-17:2195841:Comment:586762011-10-17T08:54:14.459Zpaul andersonhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/paulanderson
well said mate.
well said mate. The curved V-shape causes mor…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-10-16:2195841:Comment:590122011-10-16T16:21:46.351ZCapgeraldohttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Capgeraldo
<p>The curved V-shape causes more leeway.</p>
<p>With Pahis JWD use daggerboards to compensate , with Tikis they use an additional keel.</p>
<p>The curved V-shape causes more leeway.</p>
<p>With Pahis JWD use daggerboards to compensate , with Tikis they use an additional keel.</p> It's good to see I'm not the…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-10-15:2195841:Comment:588932011-10-15T10:16:53.855ZJoe Swetishhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/JoeSwetish
It's good to see I'm not the only one who drinks and posts.<br/>
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It's good to see I'm not the only one who drinks and posts.<br/>
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Oooops...meant to delete the above. Anyway, good luck with it all and may God help us All.
Oooops...meant to delete the above. Anyway, good luck with it all and may God help us All. LMAO at Chuck. Cheers about…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-10-15:2195841:Comment:586422011-10-15T03:29:18.844ZTomhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Tom
<p>LMAO at Chuck. Cheers about the ex haha</p>
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<p>Brian, as a ship builder you have a responsibility to every person who may ever set foot on the vessel. Don't fuck it up. Don't get anyone killed.</p>
<p>LMAO at Chuck. Cheers about the ex haha</p>
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<p>Brian, as a ship builder you have a responsibility to every person who may ever set foot on the vessel. Don't fuck it up. Don't get anyone killed.</p> Customizing and personalizing…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-10-08:2195841:Comment:571042011-10-08T15:53:55.208ZMartin Phillipshttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/MartinPhillips
<p>Customizing and personalizing are OK in anyone's book. Changing the basic design is a different matter so adding bridge decks and changing the hull shape in my mind changes the boat so it is not a Wharram because quite simply it becomes your design and not his. Anyway its a free World and obviously Wharram does not license his plans like designers such as Brown/Marples or Simpson so that you can only change it with his consent. I guess in the self build business that invites people to tinker…</p>
<p>Customizing and personalizing are OK in anyone's book. Changing the basic design is a different matter so adding bridge decks and changing the hull shape in my mind changes the boat so it is not a Wharram because quite simply it becomes your design and not his. Anyway its a free World and obviously Wharram does not license his plans like designers such as Brown/Marples or Simpson so that you can only change it with his consent. I guess in the self build business that invites people to tinker and produce something the designer never intended. Trouble is it also gives the designer a bad name because people look at these creations and say "look at that Wharram" and "it is so ugly" or "isn't that thing pitching like crazy" "or I'd never have one of those" when if they saw a lovely vessel built as it was designed they may be very impressed with the design.</p>
<p>Personally I love Wharram's designs but I cannot say I love all of the boats I have seen apparently based on his plans!</p>
<p>I am sure that with the good advice you can get on this site and good sense of either going to Wharram or another designer to get them to professionally modify the plans to get the boat you want, you will build a beautiful seaworthy boat!</p>
<p>Best wishes and good luck mate!</p> Why do people customize cars,…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-10-08:2195841:Comment:570992011-10-08T08:47:29.774ZBrian Patonhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BrianPaton
Why do people customize cars, buy a new home then change the kitchen, design a new shape of garden. Some people want something different. There are still plenty of people that love the classic design shape but want to improve on it. With modern high strength foam and infusion processes you can make a product that is just as strong if not stronger. I've seen pictures on here of boats that have a complete bridge deck added. Why not go for a Kurt Hughes boat or Gilbert Caroff. Aesthetic…
Why do people customize cars, buy a new home then change the kitchen, design a new shape of garden. Some people want something different. There are still plenty of people that love the classic design shape but want to improve on it. With modern high strength foam and infusion processes you can make a product that is just as strong if not stronger. I've seen pictures on here of boats that have a complete bridge deck added. Why not go for a Kurt Hughes boat or Gilbert Caroff. Aesthetic appeal comes in here as well. I think the Kelsall cats look like floating caravans. On another note Wharram also moved on by designing the Tiki 46 and charging more for the plans. The classics have taken a back seat. Why waste time improving older designs when you can just design a new boat. He is using his creative mind and so am I. I think that before I select…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-10-07:2195841:Comment:569982011-10-07T17:22:59.015ZMartin Phillipshttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/MartinPhillips
I think that before I select a design to pour my hard earned cash and year's of labour into building I would ensure it was the boat that I wanted. Why choose a Tehini if you want to change something as fundermental the hull shape? The design is now very old but why not go for the Tiki 46 which basically does the same thing - 8 berth plus ocean cruiser - but how James and Haneke saw it 15 years ago (and 25 years after the Tehini was designed). It has rounded V hulls as you want and a far better…
I think that before I select a design to pour my hard earned cash and year's of labour into building I would ensure it was the boat that I wanted. Why choose a Tehini if you want to change something as fundermental the hull shape? The design is now very old but why not go for the Tiki 46 which basically does the same thing - 8 berth plus ocean cruiser - but how James and Haneke saw it 15 years ago (and 25 years after the Tehini was designed). It has rounded V hulls as you want and a far better use of space. Its a much more sophisticated boat but still has that unique Wharram style that appeals to us. A rounded V is still a V shape. Richard Woods designs monocoque ply wood/epoxy designs with multi chine hulls rather than V shape and so does Peter Snell. Derek Kelsall has flat panel and rounded hulls in GRP/foam sandwich including open deck options and very simple construction. There are also the Simpson designs from Botecraft to look at My feeling is get the design you want to build rather than mess about modifying an old design. Like you I would be inclined to go for GRP foam sandwich so I'd think quite seriously about the Kelsall flat panel hulls. In fact I guess you could make KSS panels to replace the ply sheets used in any Wharram design but I am afraid my gut reaction is that once you modify the design you end up designing a new boat. A good example of doing this and retaining the Wharram design is Natural High. But you need a good builder/designer to do the redesign who knows GRP construction and ensures that the strength and stress management inthe Wharram wood design is replicated. Otherwise the result may look like a Wharram but as so many modified efforts have proven it will lack design integrity and be a disaster. Unless you are a designer (in which case design your own boat from the start) I would not spend loads of money buying Wharram plans to mess about withit so much that the finished boat is not a Wharram design at all. I think there are too many examples of that! Its so nice to see boats built to plan that are sucessful - Pilgrim is a superb example. Love the video! However watching that make me think whether a monocoque cat with a bridgedeck cabin and protected cockpit is a much more comfortable vehicle to sail. You choose your design and take what you have chosen I guess. Me of course - I sail a very old vintage boat and love it because it is a classic. I love the Tehini for that reason. But when it comes to choosing my next boat I may put practicality ahead of sentimentality!