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Hi everyone, this is my first topic, although I've been following along for some time and just recently bought a set of tiki 21 plans off of a nice gentleman in the forum (thanks!!!).
I wanted to ask you folks how you finally decided on what boat you were going to build? I bought the tiki 21 plans mostly because they were a great deal and I don't see myself going cruising in the near future so I would really like something that doesn't need to stay in a marina, but at the same time I like the thought of only building once, affordably, and if I decided to bug out I could do so in relative comfort.
Originally, I planned on building the tiki 38, then I decided on the Tangaroa, then I thought to myself that the tiki 30 would be much easier of a project and still manageable...or maybe even a tiki 26!!! Even though it has been done and people are out doing it now, I don't see myself travelling very far in a Tiki 21.
So.... should I build the 21 to gain experience, then eventually build a bigger boat as time goes by or should I just jump into the big project and slowly but surely chisel away at it. Just so we're on the same page, I want to pay for such a project as I progress rather than all at once, with a small budget of $200-$400 a month. Building would be a part time hobby rather than something I'm willing to throw my lifes savings into.
Any thought or insight?
I would like to hear more opinions from the forum members about these designs.
I'm leaning towards the Pahi 42 or the Tiki 38. I'm not really sure what the differences in construction are. The Wharram website implies that the Pahis are easiest to build. So, what's the general opinion? Which is easiest? If the Pahi 42 is easier is it so much easier that it makes up for the extra length over the Tiki?
Thanks for the help,
I don't know what advice to give you, but I will say that before Nev and I got Wharrams to come up with the Tiki 46 plans for us, we had the study plans for the Tahini, Pahi 42, and Tiki 38. We stuck one plan up on the wall and then another for over a year while we thought about it. In hindsight, probably we should have built the Tiki 38 because it certainly would have been big enough for us, however, I am glad we went ahead and built Peace - all 46 feet of her. She is so comfortable and easy to live aboard and share and she takes stormy anchorages and weather so easily... that helps with our old bodies which now have old age aches and pains even in flat water calms.
Building does take time, energy, money, and some days it seems to go on and on forever. However, the satisfaction is tremendous when you sail your home built boat out of the harbor and heads turn from that moment on wherever you sail. These are pretty boats for sure.
I believe no one can really give you advice on these matters. Boat selection is a lot like spouse selection. Some kind of magic needs to be involved. Be sure that all the folks on this kindly net will offer an opinion and assistance to the best of their ability. Take it all in and make your decision.
At least you will always know that the carefully built Wharram will be safe, affordable, and lovely.
Ann and Nev
Like most others who post I went through the same process of bouncing backwards and forwards between designs before finally deciding to build my 36 ft Wharram classic.
Too big,.. Too small,..Too expensive,.. Too difficult,.. Too much time,.Too many study plans!,...etc,. etc,...........
Eventually after scouring the various Wharram forums and asking many questions, particularly of those who had , or were currently building a wharram I worked out what I really needed (more so than what I wanted)..
I learnt that for me the most important things to consider were,
A) What am I really going to do with it ?
B) How much can I realistically handle, (cost, time, energy, skill)?
I remembered that I'd heard somewhere that "form must follow function" not the other way around. That helped me become a bit more realistic about things.
My (not so) short list became clearer.
* safe in all conditions, very strong and as collision resistant as possible for long distance sailing,
( I'd heard of wharram classics riding out huge cyclones at sea, also of riding up and over semi- submerged objects on their massively timbered keels with minimal damage.
* able to go to windward in tough conditions if needed. This meant very low windage.
(All Wharrams meet this criterea. The Classics can also have the B'warks built lower if desired)
* enough waterline lenght to warrant small cabins with a minimal area of standing headroom. Again for reduced windage.
( Midsized classic designs have small standing headroom areas midships only).
* enough volume to carry supplies. Lots of storage space in separate hulls compartments for all sorts of 'live aboard' gear.
* able to be sailed short handed
* Building method that I can live with. Relatively simple to construct, also a method that gives the lowest chance of developing epoxy allergy. Some builders had posted that they get it so bad that they cant go near the stuff any more.( I felt I was more of a chance of finishing with glue and screw over fillet making and sanding).
* able to be repaired by myself in remote places.
* able to be built and paid for over 3 to 4 years max..
If then I was to build a mid sized wharram classic a list also grew of what I couldn't have .
* double bunks for myself and my guests
* a shower and head in the main cabin
* bridgedeck accomodation
* high tech systems that I can't look after myself.
The end result for me was to buy the Tangaraoa plans and to rework them to my purposes. ( There are some progress pics now posted). I promise you it isn't the boat I would have chosen for weekend sailing though!.
I think everybody comes at building a Wharram from there own perspective.
I certainly wouldn't want to impose my criterea on anyone else. I just hope it helps to know something of the thinking of others.
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