How to capsize a Hinemoa - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-28T13:09:29Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/how-to-capsize-a-hinemoa?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A164046&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThere still is an obsession w…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2021-04-05:2195841:Comment:2876222021-04-05T19:06:35.934ZDean Wilkersonhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/DeanWilkerson
<p>There still is an obsession with capsize and multihulls. In reality capsizes usually involve racing and pushing to the limits, or Sh_t Happens situations like yours. Thanks for the story! It reminds me of a 40' (12M) Searunner trimaran lost in a similar manner in the Gulf of Mexico a few years back. Ironically people focus on capsized multihulls and ignore sunk monohulls it would seem. A Wharram sailed safely through the '79 Fastnet disaster where so many monohulls were abandoned…</p>
<p>There still is an obsession with capsize and multihulls. In reality capsizes usually involve racing and pushing to the limits, or Sh_t Happens situations like yours. Thanks for the story! It reminds me of a 40' (12M) Searunner trimaran lost in a similar manner in the Gulf of Mexico a few years back. Ironically people focus on capsized multihulls and ignore sunk monohulls it would seem. A Wharram sailed safely through the '79 Fastnet disaster where so many monohulls were abandoned and/or lost. Another sailed through the infamous Queen's Birthday storm after being abandoned, and was recovered later...(Ramtha a Simpson).. NONE were capsized or sunk. Yet another survived a close call with an Indian Ocean cyclone.... with damage, but able to make it in. And there is the story of Richard Woods abandoning Eclipse off Central America.... Later found 100% intact and covered with bird poo by fishermen. During those years literally hundreds of monohulls were abandoned and lost... sunk. Many for relatively trivial reasons.... a rudder failure, or a single component in the absurdly complex standing rigging we have been conditioned to accept as normal and necessary...... resulting in dismasting, the mast often punching a hole in the side of the boat it is still tethered to....... The crew taking refuge in a "death raft". I'm personally an advocate of the free standing mast and the junk rig..... Your mileage my vary. There are countless cases of multihulls NOT capsizing when one would have expected otherwise...... But as with anything else, the press focuses on those that did capsize. For a bit of entertainment I like to read the old Sports illustrated article titled Hey Ho and Up She Rises from 1968.... We've come a long way since then. Enjoy if you enjoy such nonsense.</p>
<p> H.W.</p>
<p><a href="https://vault.si.com/vault/1968/05/06/hey-ho-and-up-she-rises" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Hey Ho and Up She Rises</a></p> The smaller your boat the big…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2021-04-05:2195841:Comment:2877902021-04-05T14:16:10.557ZRobert Hugheshttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RobertHughes
<p>The smaller your boat the bigger your adventure !<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Tim Gardner said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/how-to-capsize-a-hinemoa?id=2195841%3ATopic%3A164195&page=2#2195841Comment287561"><div><p>Yeah, I’m with you on the small vessel sentiment. I bought the plans for a Tiki 26, but I bailed out and have gone back and finally begun building the Hinemoa like I planned years earlier. The length (possibly years) of a Tiki 26 build might…</p>
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<p>The smaller your boat the bigger your adventure !<br/> <br/> <cite>Tim Gardner said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/how-to-capsize-a-hinemoa?id=2195841%3ATopic%3A164195&page=2#2195841Comment287561"><div><p>Yeah, I’m with you on the small vessel sentiment. I bought the plans for a Tiki 26, but I bailed out and have gone back and finally begun building the Hinemoa like I planned years earlier. The length (possibly years) of a Tiki 26 build might prove too discouraging. I hope to have the Hinemoa complete by the end of the year. And I hope to be able to raise and lower the mast myself. And even paddle it in certain situations. I think about that sort of stuff a lot. It’s just me, and this will take me wherever I want to go. Everything gets big fast with larger designs, but, man, a Tiki 30 would still be very nice. Good luck!</p>
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</blockquote> Yeah, I’m with you on the sma…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2021-04-05:2195841:Comment:2875612021-04-05T02:25:45.633ZTim Gardnerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/TimGardner
<p>Yeah, I’m with you on the small vessel sentiment. I bought the plans for a Tiki 26, but I bailed out and have gone back and finally begun building the Hinemoa like I planned years earlier. The length (possibly years) of a Tiki 26 build might prove too discouraging. I hope to have the Hinemoa complete by the end of the year. And I hope to be able to raise and lower the mast myself. And even paddle it in certain situations. I think about that sort of stuff a lot. It’s just me, and this…</p>
<p>Yeah, I’m with you on the small vessel sentiment. I bought the plans for a Tiki 26, but I bailed out and have gone back and finally begun building the Hinemoa like I planned years earlier. The length (possibly years) of a Tiki 26 build might prove too discouraging. I hope to have the Hinemoa complete by the end of the year. And I hope to be able to raise and lower the mast myself. And even paddle it in certain situations. I think about that sort of stuff a lot. It’s just me, and this will take me wherever I want to go. Everything gets big fast with larger designs, but, man, a Tiki 30 would still be very nice. Good luck!</p> Not building, I'm reftitting.…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2020-07-20:2195841:Comment:1733442020-07-20T09:18:18.358ZLevi Verwoesthttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/LeviVerwoest
Not building, I'm reftitting. Too lazy to build anything bigger than a dinghy.<br />
I don't think most people would find the tiki30 too big, more likely too small. I'm a dinghy sailor at heart.
Not building, I'm reftitting. Too lazy to build anything bigger than a dinghy.<br />
I don't think most people would find the tiki30 too big, more likely too small. I'm a dinghy sailor at heart. Okie dokie Levi, you are on.…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2020-07-19:2195841:Comment:1733432020-07-19T21:47:51.216ZAndy Nemierhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AndyNemier
<p>Okie dokie Levi, you are on. I'm buying! </p>
<p>Coincidentally, we love Hawaii and spent 18 months there in 2014 / 2015 while passing through on our big boat. Also celebrated 2019 Christmas there (Big Island) for 3 weeks. Just love it. I was quite happy to hear that you think the T30 is too much boat, because I was seriously beginning to think that it may be too small for me! Would love to hear more about yout build. Do you have a blog or something?</p>
<p>Okie dokie Levi, you are on. I'm buying! </p>
<p>Coincidentally, we love Hawaii and spent 18 months there in 2014 / 2015 while passing through on our big boat. Also celebrated 2019 Christmas there (Big Island) for 3 weeks. Just love it. I was quite happy to hear that you think the T30 is too much boat, because I was seriously beginning to think that it may be too small for me! Would love to hear more about yout build. Do you have a blog or something?</p> Andy,
I am back in Hawaii. Wo…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2020-07-19:2195841:Comment:1733402020-07-19T18:01:42.325ZLevi Verwoesthttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/LeviVerwoest
<p>Andy,</p>
<p>I am back in Hawaii. Working away on a Tiki 30. Realizing its way more boat than I need/want. Wish I was still in QLD. Somewhere down the line I'll take you up on a coffee.</p>
<p>enjoy</p>
<p>Andy,</p>
<p>I am back in Hawaii. Working away on a Tiki 30. Realizing its way more boat than I need/want. Wish I was still in QLD. Somewhere down the line I'll take you up on a coffee.</p>
<p>enjoy</p> Wow, what a story. Thanks fo…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2020-07-14:2195841:Comment:1733282020-07-14T00:17:02.246ZAndy Nemierhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AndyNemier
<p>Wow, what a story. Thanks for sharing. Are you still in QLD? I'm currently located in Airlie Beach. Would love to buy you a coffee one morning, and talk Wharrams!</p>
<p>Wow, what a story. Thanks for sharing. Are you still in QLD? I'm currently located in Airlie Beach. Would love to buy you a coffee one morning, and talk Wharrams!</p> Sure a boat should be unsinka…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2018-12-17:2195841:Comment:1641342018-12-17T10:15:15.279ZWaveDancer & Bellahttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/WaveDancer
<p>Sure a boat should be unsinkable in these days. How ever - most hatch-coamings are not double walled and do not withstand high waterpressures. Also gaskets are mostly underdimensioned. Most boats (more and more designed as swimming lofts) I have been on, had leaking portholes or hatches! Heavy duty and over dimensioning is the only way to go and of course a stiff hull. Special attention should to be given to sliding hatches. I'd rather choose a larger but well sealed hatch to get into a…</p>
<p>Sure a boat should be unsinkable in these days. How ever - most hatch-coamings are not double walled and do not withstand high waterpressures. Also gaskets are mostly underdimensioned. Most boats (more and more designed as swimming lofts) I have been on, had leaking portholes or hatches! Heavy duty and over dimensioning is the only way to go and of course a stiff hull. Special attention should to be given to sliding hatches. I'd rather choose a larger but well sealed hatch to get into a cabin. For ventilation I had well designed dorade vents on my Tiki 33 (quite wet sailing in high winds and waves) and they did the job very well. </p> What did Roger Taylor do?
Ha…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2018-12-17:2195841:Comment:1641332018-12-17T09:41:50.886ZLevi Verwoesthttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/LeviVerwoest
<p>What did Roger Taylor do? </p>
<p>Hatches can be trouble but without them, how do you stow or access things inside? I suppose you could build hulls like a surfboard, fully foam filled, and stow everything on deck. Seems a bit extreme though</p>
<p>for sure my next boat will have built in waterproof compartments or foam. </p>
<p>What did Roger Taylor do? </p>
<p>Hatches can be trouble but without them, how do you stow or access things inside? I suppose you could build hulls like a surfboard, fully foam filled, and stow everything on deck. Seems a bit extreme though</p>
<p>for sure my next boat will have built in waterproof compartments or foam. </p> This story proves again, that…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2018-12-17:2195841:Comment:1639522018-12-17T07:51:28.996ZWaveDancer & Bellahttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/WaveDancer
<p>This story proves again, that hatches are one of the THE weak points of boats! If ever I'll build a new boat I design them as Roger Taylor did on his MingMing. Designers and builders do NOT give enough attention to this! A boat must be dry and a hatch should also withstand hard wave impacts. </p>
<p>This story proves again, that hatches are one of the THE weak points of boats! If ever I'll build a new boat I design them as Roger Taylor did on his MingMing. Designers and builders do NOT give enough attention to this! A boat must be dry and a hatch should also withstand hard wave impacts. </p>