How do I heat a Tiki 21? - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-28T08:44:52Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/how-do-i-heat-a-tiki-21?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A19898&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noCaravan, catalytic, and all p…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-10-28:2195841:Comment:1228682014-10-28T05:20:02.404ZRusty Gesnerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RustyGesner
<p>Caravan, catalytic, and all propane heaters which don't have exhaust flues are just plain dangerous in the hulls. </p>
<p>Caravan, catalytic, and all propane heaters which don't have exhaust flues are just plain dangerous in the hulls. </p> I just joined this site, so p…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-10-23:2195841:Comment:1228082014-10-23T12:57:36.590Zfriendshipsloop .http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/friendshipsloop
<p>I just joined this site, so perhaps I can add my thoughts with this Amazon URL: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Heater-F215100-3800-BTU-Indoor-Safe/dp/B001CFRF7I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1414068951&sr=8-1&keywords=little+buddy+heater" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Heater-F215100-3800-BTU-Indoor-Safe/dp/B001CFRF7I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1414068951&sr=8-1&keywords=little+buddy+heater</a></p>
<p>I just joined this site, so perhaps I can add my thoughts with this Amazon URL: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Heater-F215100-3800-BTU-Indoor-Safe/dp/B001CFRF7I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1414068951&sr=8-1&keywords=little+buddy+heater" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Heater-F215100-3800-BTU-Indoor-Safe/dp/B001CFRF7I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1414068951&sr=8-1&keywords=little+buddy+heater</a></p> I use a catalytic gas heater…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-02-05:2195841:Comment:1132802014-02-05T12:47:25.774ZGalway Bayhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GalwayBay
<p>I use a catalytic gas heater in my van. It is worth commenting on the actual amount of humidity created.</p>
<p>The heater is rated at 800w but I find I only need to run it at low - about 200w. to heat a space comparable to the cabin on my P 31. The full power is good for initial warm - up.</p>
<p>I also. like most people, cook on gas so a comparison is valid. A gas ring produces 1500 / 2200w. Humidity produced is directly related to wattage [and gas used ]. So my heater produces less than…</p>
<p>I use a catalytic gas heater in my van. It is worth commenting on the actual amount of humidity created.</p>
<p>The heater is rated at 800w but I find I only need to run it at low - about 200w. to heat a space comparable to the cabin on my P 31. The full power is good for initial warm - up.</p>
<p>I also. like most people, cook on gas so a comparison is valid. A gas ring produces 1500 / 2200w. Humidity produced is directly related to wattage [and gas used ]. So my heater produces less than 50% humidity on full and maybe 10% on normal compared to a gas ring. In fact most of the condensation in cooking comes from the kettle / boiling pot etc. not the ring.</p>
<p>So if you want to test your boat light one cooker ring on low with no pot on top. If you have a problem with this then you will have a problem with a heater.</p>
<p>Basically if you can cook on gas you can certainly heat with it.</p>
<p>I love my heater . It not only keeps the van warm for camping but gives a positive radiant heat that ensures me a constant supply of dry warm socks, boots, hats, etc.</p>
<p>I considered a wood stove for my boat, but even at 31 ft I would not be happy with one. These boats are very small inside - especially very narrow. I could not see me safely scrunching past a scalding hot stove in a narrow passage without headroom to get into my bunk for instance.</p>
<p>There is also the issue of dedicating so much permanent space to something which may only be used a few hours a year.</p>
<p>If I get a heater it will be a gas catalyst one possibly the 400w portable type as sold by Colemans which uses 1lb bottles. Affordable. Simple. More time for sailing.</p>
<p>These heaters have a very good reputation among campers / hunters / R.V. etc. Many of my friends also use them so I speak first - hand.</p> It was said before between th…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-02-02:2195841:Comment:1129842014-02-02T00:54:44.318ZArmin Foellhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/ArminFoell
<p>It was said before between the lines but not explicitedly.</p>
<p>If you want to heat your cabin, you should consider that an open flame which burns either oil or gas produces a lot of humidity. This is because oils and gas are so-called hydrocarbons and by burning those you will get mainly carbon dioxide and WATER. This will definitely condense at non isolated walls, if they are of plywood or else.</p>
<p>The only solution for an efficient and safe heating in my opinion is to use stove with…</p>
<p>It was said before between the lines but not explicitedly.</p>
<p>If you want to heat your cabin, you should consider that an open flame which burns either oil or gas produces a lot of humidity. This is because oils and gas are so-called hydrocarbons and by burning those you will get mainly carbon dioxide and WATER. This will definitely condense at non isolated walls, if they are of plywood or else.</p>
<p>The only solution for an efficient and safe heating in my opinion is to use stove with exhaust systems. So the heat will stay in the cabin whilst the moisture goes outside through he chimney. The small iron oven suggested by Ralf should do a good job on a Tiki 21.</p>
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<p>Regards, Armin</p> I've sailed Ushuaia to Antart…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-01-30:2195841:Comment:1128802014-01-30T10:08:50.100ZRobert Hugheshttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RobertHughes
<p>I've sailed Ushuaia to Antartica on a tall ship and would definitely not recommend doing it on a Wharram... :-(<span class="st"><em><br></br></em></span></p>
<p>There's crazy and there's crazy (no offense meant if somebody's done it though). Call me a wus if you like, but even with six layers of clothing I was getting cold after half an hour on watch. Yachts do go down there but they tend to be fairly big and heavy displacement, well insulated with good heating inside. You need something…</p>
<p>I've sailed Ushuaia to Antartica on a tall ship and would definitely not recommend doing it on a Wharram... :-(<span class="st"><em><br/></em></span></p>
<p>There's crazy and there's crazy (no offense meant if somebody's done it though). Call me a wus if you like, but even with six layers of clothing I was getting cold after half an hour on watch. Yachts do go down there but they tend to be fairly big and heavy displacement, well insulated with good heating inside. You need something designed for spending lots of time down below. Wharrams are the opposite, ideal for the outdoor lifestyle, enjoying the sun, partying, drinking rum punch, generally relaxing and having a good time. England is as cold a place as I want to be on my Wharram! ;-)</p> Very true point. The berth of…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-01-30:2195841:Comment:1130342014-01-30T08:45:27.241Zstellahttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/x
<p>Very true point. The berth of my Pahi - in the main cabins, is above the Waterline. Still, with isolation, having not much more than a coffin to heat, even a petroleum storm lantern could do it, tucked in my sleeping bag.</p>
<p>Anyone know of sailing to Spitzberg or cap Horn on a Wharram? It's not what it's made for, but loves makes us do crazy things.</p>
<p>Very true point. The berth of my Pahi - in the main cabins, is above the Waterline. Still, with isolation, having not much more than a coffin to heat, even a petroleum storm lantern could do it, tucked in my sleeping bag.</p>
<p>Anyone know of sailing to Spitzberg or cap Horn on a Wharram? It's not what it's made for, but loves makes us do crazy things.</p> And to think - I was just goi…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-01-29:2195841:Comment:1130302014-01-29T21:19:23.822ZGalway Bayhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GalwayBay
<p>And to think - I was just going to post that as the sea water in Ireland remains at about 11c in the winter the boat afloat never gets very cold ! I spent one or two nights afloat every week through the winter of 12 / 13 with only a gas mantle lamp to take the edge off the chill... that and Guinness and great music !</p>
<p>And to think - I was just going to post that as the sea water in Ireland remains at about 11c in the winter the boat afloat never gets very cold ! I spent one or two nights afloat every week through the winter of 12 / 13 with only a gas mantle lamp to take the edge off the chill... that and Guinness and great music !</p> Hi, the biggest problem on th…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-01-29:2195841:Comment:1130982014-01-29T15:18:05.520ZMatthias von Mutiushttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/MatthiasvonMutius
<p>Hi, the biggest problem on these Tikis is that your boats walls are a bit underwater at the level of the bunk, so they are really cold when the water is cold. In May this year in Greece the water had only 16°C so it got cold down there... I did put all our sitting cushions against the walls and had a much more agreable cabin... But I needed to dry the matrasse much more when the water was that cold. I have always a couple of these rubber "Wärmflaschen" on board now, they are also nice when…</p>
<p>Hi, the biggest problem on these Tikis is that your boats walls are a bit underwater at the level of the bunk, so they are really cold when the water is cold. In May this year in Greece the water had only 16°C so it got cold down there... I did put all our sitting cushions against the walls and had a much more agreable cabin... But I needed to dry the matrasse much more when the water was that cold. I have always a couple of these rubber "Wärmflaschen" on board now, they are also nice when sailing at night just fill them with hot water and heat your feet or put them under the jacket ... :-) instant heating..</p>
<p>cheers Matthias</p> Hi. Seems an old forum, but I…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-01-27:2195841:Comment:1128612014-01-27T20:48:49.682Zstellahttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/x
<p>Hi. Seems an old forum, but I still wanted to add my experience. I isolated the hull with extruded stirophome, cut and fitted (not glued) between the battens and some aluminium buble foil tackered to the seiling and as a curtain. Then I heated with a GAS LAMP - you get the light, too. I lived on board for one winter and brittany and it was nice and cozy, even once with snow and frost outside.</p>
<p>Hi. Seems an old forum, but I still wanted to add my experience. I isolated the hull with extruded stirophome, cut and fitted (not glued) between the battens and some aluminium buble foil tackered to the seiling and as a curtain. Then I heated with a GAS LAMP - you get the light, too. I lived on board for one winter and brittany and it was nice and cozy, even once with snow and frost outside.</p> On my Frances 26 I had a GRP…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-12-27:2195841:Comment:1116252013-12-27T14:27:36.773ZRobert Hugheshttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RobertHughes
<p>On my Frances 26 I had a GRP / balsa sandwich deck, then screwed up 3mm plywood with a foam-backed vinyl glued and wrapped around it, and about 8mm polystyrene behind it. Quite effective overall. We had a big brass Taylors 030 paraffin cooker with an oven which got the cabin toasty warm, and of course it took ages for the oven to cool down once it was off. All that was ideal on a deep keel yacht weighing 3.5 tons at 26 ft long.</p>
<p>The Tiki is a very different matter. Zest is also 26…</p>
<p>On my Frances 26 I had a GRP / balsa sandwich deck, then screwed up 3mm plywood with a foam-backed vinyl glued and wrapped around it, and about 8mm polystyrene behind it. Quite effective overall. We had a big brass Taylors 030 paraffin cooker with an oven which got the cabin toasty warm, and of course it took ages for the oven to cool down once it was off. All that was ideal on a deep keel yacht weighing 3.5 tons at 26 ft long.</p>
<p>The Tiki is a very different matter. Zest is also 26 feet long but only a fraction of the weight, and every pound makes a difference to the performance, so a big brass oven is out of the question... She is one of the Imagine Multihulls glass Tikis though, and the deck is a sandwich construction with about 8mm of foam in the middle of two very thin GRP skins. I suspect it has about the same insulation value as 6mm ply plus 6mm polystyrene, but that's just a guess. At the moment it's a case of "summer only" cruising in England, but hopefully in a few years time I'll be able to convert to using latitude heating...</p>