home testing of your materials - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-28T15:43:44Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/home-testing-of-your-materials?feed=yes&xn_auth=noWell said Rune, I've got into…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-03-25:2195841:Comment:1157392014-03-25T11:40:17.519ZRobert Hugheshttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RobertHughes
<p>Well said Rune, I've got into trouble like that as well.</p>
<p>With such a diverse group of people misunderstandings will sometimes happen. The great thing about this forum is there's so much goodwill that it can almost always be sorted out and everyone can be friends. It really says something about the special sort of people who choose to sail Wharram cats. Love it !</p>
<p>Well said Rune, I've got into trouble like that as well.</p>
<p>With such a diverse group of people misunderstandings will sometimes happen. The great thing about this forum is there's so much goodwill that it can almost always be sorted out and everyone can be friends. It really says something about the special sort of people who choose to sail Wharram cats. Love it !</p> Very true. And humor is diffi…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-03-25:2195841:Comment:1159022014-03-25T11:07:10.960ZRune M. Christensenhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RuneMChristensen
<p>Very true. And humor is difficult in written text.</p>
<p>especially sarcasm. It is closely bound to mimic and tone. You either have to be face to face or know the other person VERY well.</p>
<p>I have made the mistake of forgetting this a few times :)</p>
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<p>Very true. And humor is difficult in written text.</p>
<p>especially sarcasm. It is closely bound to mimic and tone. You either have to be face to face or know the other person VERY well.</p>
<p>I have made the mistake of forgetting this a few times :)</p>
<p></p> "Blessed are the peace makers…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-03-25:2195841:Comment:1156532014-03-25T10:26:26.150ZGalway Bayhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GalwayBay
<p>"Blessed are the peace makers". And best wishes to Boo and all boatbuilders. Phrases and humour - these things do not always translate across language / culture.</p>
<p>"Blessed are the peace makers". And best wishes to Boo and all boatbuilders. Phrases and humour - these things do not always translate across language / culture.</p> Gosh, I had no idea "wannabe…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-03-25:2195841:Comment:1158952014-03-25T00:49:36.738ZAnn and Neville Clementhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AnnandNevilleClement922
<p>Gosh, I had no idea "wannabe" was derogatory. Appology to anybody I ever said that cute sounding word to. But I do hope we can all join in friendship because we share the enthusiasm of sailing in the water with the wind and sun in good boats. Maybe we can overcome any hurt feelings and just share ideas and helpful information so we can get out and have fun, meet each other, and enjoy living.</p>
<p>Love, Ann and Nev</p>
<p>Gosh, I had no idea "wannabe" was derogatory. Appology to anybody I ever said that cute sounding word to. But I do hope we can all join in friendship because we share the enthusiasm of sailing in the water with the wind and sun in good boats. Maybe we can overcome any hurt feelings and just share ideas and helpful information so we can get out and have fun, meet each other, and enjoy living.</p>
<p>Love, Ann and Nev</p> Bao Ya,
I'm sure that Galway…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-03-24:2195841:Comment:1157132014-03-24T22:57:32.016ZRogerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RogerSullivan
<p>Bao Ya,</p>
<p>I'm sure that Galway didn't mean it that way. Galway speaks his mind which means that we are all occasionally offended. On the other hand he always has something on-topic and useful to say. Would you rather have polite but useless, or direct and useful - so few people speak their minds these days, that I personally find it refreshing.</p>
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<p>Bao Ya,</p>
<p>I'm sure that Galway didn't mean it that way. Galway speaks his mind which means that we are all occasionally offended. On the other hand he always has something on-topic and useful to say. Would you rather have polite but useless, or direct and useful - so few people speak their minds these days, that I personally find it refreshing.</p>
<p></p> Post deleted. Never my intent…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-03-24:2195841:Comment:1156282014-03-24T18:34:02.984ZGalway Bayhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GalwayBay
<p>Post deleted. Never my intention to insult.</p>
<p>Post deleted. Never my intention to insult.</p> Hi All,
On Peace IV, we…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-03-24:2195841:Comment:1158002014-03-24T12:07:33.636ZAnn and Neville Clementhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AnnandNevilleClement922
<p>Hi All,</p>
<p> On Peace IV, we have used oil based polyurethane porch and floor paint costing 25 dollars US a gallon. Compared to the two part paint we put on when we built the boat, it is standing up well on the decks which see a lot of traffic with sandy feet from the beach and things offloaded from the dinghy and dragged around. It is exterior paint and designed to withstand freezing and hot, direct sunlight. We use Glidden and we get it at Home Depot. We first fiberglass the…</p>
<p>Hi All,</p>
<p> On Peace IV, we have used oil based polyurethane porch and floor paint costing 25 dollars US a gallon. Compared to the two part paint we put on when we built the boat, it is standing up well on the decks which see a lot of traffic with sandy feet from the beach and things offloaded from the dinghy and dragged around. It is exterior paint and designed to withstand freezing and hot, direct sunlight. We use Glidden and we get it at Home Depot. We first fiberglass the little dinghys we build these days, then lightly sand, and then paint on the porch and deck paint and it seems to work ok for us. The only thing as good is the Brightside paint we get at Defenders but it costs a lot more. </p>
<p> I like to use good materials because once a boat is built and it takes you out on the water, you are going to love that boat and want to keep it and go out on the water again and again. It is better to go out on the water than to put the boat in the workshop and keep fixing it all the darn time because you did not do a good job building it in the first place. </p>
<p> Peace is 12 years old now and she has taken us over 50,000 miles across water in Europe and the Atlantic and up and down the US east coast. We have been renewing the paint on the pod, cockpit, decks, etc and so far, I have used about 1 table spoon of epoxy for repairs. Do it right the first time, use well tested materials, check your work, and save a ton of repair work during the life of the boat. Sailing is much more fun than repairing.</p>
<p> Ann and Nev</p> " Decks like underwater areas…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-03-24:2195841:Comment:1156112014-03-24T09:56:57.072Zlaurenthttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/laurent
<p>" Decks like underwater areas. Paint: latex directly on lightly sanded epoxy coated surfaces."</p>
<p>same for me Dennis , to renew the old paint : one coat époxy (17 € / liter ) UV resistant they said ? , sanding and two coat cheap exterior house ALKYD water solvant . </p>
<p>" Decks like underwater areas. Paint: latex directly on lightly sanded epoxy coated surfaces."</p>
<p>same for me Dennis , to renew the old paint : one coat époxy (17 € / liter ) UV resistant they said ? , sanding and two coat cheap exterior house ALKYD water solvant . </p> we used only west system and…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-03-23:2195841:Comment:1156962014-03-23T19:24:40.916Zwakataiteahttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/wakataitea
<p>we used only west system and this with the right pump system... all easy and never a wrong mix. we used on all surfaces "peelpy". <a href="http://www.ptm-w.com/index.asp?pgid=204" target="_blank">http://www.ptm-w.com/index.asp?pgid=204</a></p>
<p> it stops the resin to run down out of the glas to. really good stuff. you pull it of, sans a little bit and keep working. this saved us a lot of work and time...</p>
<p> i am wondering why nobody is mentioning it here...???</p>
<p>about all this…</p>
<p>we used only west system and this with the right pump system... all easy and never a wrong mix. we used on all surfaces "peelpy". <a href="http://www.ptm-w.com/index.asp?pgid=204" target="_blank">http://www.ptm-w.com/index.asp?pgid=204</a></p>
<p> it stops the resin to run down out of the glas to. really good stuff. you pull it of, sans a little bit and keep working. this saved us a lot of work and time...</p>
<p> i am wondering why nobody is mentioning it here...???</p>
<p>about all this testing... yes, sometimes you have to do it but it makes you paranoid too... i guess that you should only buy from companies you trust.. of course, shit happens but i believe that we can not compare the importance of material strengths in a wharram with one on an aircraft...</p>
<p>hans</p> Hi Everyone, I would like to…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-03-23:2195841:Comment:1156032014-03-23T16:27:48.353Zdennis schneiderhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/dennisschneider
<p>Hi Everyone, I would like to challenge the notion that we need to use epoxy glue for joints in boatbuilding...I used resorcinol and WEST back in the 70s, when Wharram was still 'recommending' Aerolite, and when I tore my boat apart 15 yrs later I could see many failed joints(perhaps due to glueing up in an unheated barn in Northern Germany).Since the 80s I have worked as a yacht repairman and house builder. I still use epoxy (gel) glue(2 part) for a few applications, but have gone almost…</p>
<p>Hi Everyone, I would like to challenge the notion that we need to use epoxy glue for joints in boatbuilding...I used resorcinol and WEST back in the 70s, when Wharram was still 'recommending' Aerolite, and when I tore my boat apart 15 yrs later I could see many failed joints(perhaps due to glueing up in an unheated barn in Northern Germany).Since the 80s I have worked as a yacht repairman and house builder. I still use epoxy (gel) glue(2 part) for a few applications, but have gone almost completely over to PL Premium construction adhesive (lg tube, $7 at HD and Lowes), which works great, as long as you have normal clamping pressure. I also no longer use marine grade plywood; CDX is fine,because I always sheathe the underwater areas in laminating epoxy and 17 oz biaxial cloth. I no longer sheathe the topside vertical surfaces with 6 oz cloth, use instead 3 coats of epoxy rolled on extra thin and sanded lightly between coats. Decks like underwater areas. Paint: latex directly on lightly sanded epoxy coated surfaces. Metal fittings: mild steel coated in epoxy or LeakStopper roofing patch goo. Surely Wharrams were designed back then for those who - like me and Ernie Wiesner - had to just pinch out our building purchases from our "fun" money budget as we went along, and today, in 2014, the way to do it cheaply - but structurally sound - is as I have just outlined. My 46' liveaboard cat will cost me under $20k, fully rigged, using used sails and home built mast. Every recommendation I make here has been tested by years of repeated use. I do not make epoxy fillets, because its too messy and expensive. Any place you could use such a fillet you could do it much easier using a wood cleat and PL Premium. Also, I do not coat the interior with epoxy. Thats unnecessary; even if you had water constantly in the bilge (which would indicate that you are ignoring the cause) a couple of coats of HD mismatch latex paint (at 1/3 the cost) will seal out moisture just fine..... dennis schneider </p>