Hydraulic plans - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T13:59:47Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/hidraulic-plans?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A44456&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSee our instalation in
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<p>See our instalation in</p>
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<p><br></br> <cite>Rogerio Martin said:…</cite></p>
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<p>See our instalation in</p>
<p><a href="http://tikirio.blogspot.com/2011/08/hoje-terminamos-de-prender-os-tanques.html" target="_blank">http://tikirio.blogspot.com/2011/08/hoje-terminamos-de-prender-os-tanques.html</a></p>
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<cite>Rogerio Martin said:</cite></p>
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<p>Option 3: pump on port hull , beside the tank , in same level (pipe full anytime). 4x20Lts bottles in starboard hull.</p>
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Option 3: pump on port hu…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-08-02:2195841:Comment:449402011-08-02T20:03:41.743ZRogerio Martinhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RogerioMartin
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<p>Option 3: pump on port hull , beside the tank , in same level (pipe full anytime). 4x20Lts bottles in starboard hull.</p>
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<p>Option 3: pump on port hull , beside the tank , in same level (pipe full anytime). 4x20Lts bottles in starboard hull.</p>
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</blockquote> I have two options:
Option…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-08-02:2195841:Comment:450902011-08-02T03:33:07.153ZRogerio Martinhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RogerioMartin
<p>I have two options:</p>
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<p>Option 1: pump on port hull , beside the tank , in same level (pipe full anytime). But distant another tanks in starboard hull.</p>
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<p>Option 2: pump on cockpit , more simple hoses but pump up to tanks level.</p>
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<p>I have two options:</p>
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<p>Option 1: pump on port hull , beside the tank , in same level (pipe full anytime). But distant another tanks in starboard hull.</p>
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<p>Option 2: pump on cockpit , more simple hoses but pump up to tanks level.</p>
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<p>We are use one jabsco 2.9 pressure eletric pump (we buy today)</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/hidraulic-plans#2195841Comment44456"><div><p>Rogerio, I had the same question about joining all the tanks together or not. After thinking about running pipe from one hull to the other I decided it would be easier and more secure to have a deck fill on each hull. That way you can move water when needed from one hull to the other. Sounds like you could run the shower from one sides tanks and the galley from the other sides tanks?</p>
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</blockquote> Rogerio, I had the same quest…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-08-01:2195841:Comment:444562011-08-01T13:50:04.145ZAxelhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Axel
<p>Rogerio, I had the same question about joining all the tanks together or not. After thinking about running pipe from one hull to the other I decided it would be easier and more secure to have a deck fill on each hull. That way you can move water when needed from one hull to the other. Sounds like you could run the shower from one sides tanks and the galley from the other sides tanks?</p>
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<p>Axel</p>
<p>Rogerio, I had the same question about joining all the tanks together or not. After thinking about running pipe from one hull to the other I decided it would be easier and more secure to have a deck fill on each hull. That way you can move water when needed from one hull to the other. Sounds like you could run the shower from one sides tanks and the galley from the other sides tanks?</p>
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<p>Axel</p> Hi Axel, our intention is to…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-08-01:2195841:Comment:450272011-08-01T12:05:39.993ZRogerio Martinhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RogerioMartin
<p><span id="result_box" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><span class="hps">Hi</span> <span class="hps">Axel,</span> <span class="hps">our intention</span> <span class="hps">is to go from</span> <span class="hps">Rio de Janeiro to</span> <span class="hps">Fernando de</span> <span class="hps">Noronha,</span> <span class="hps">up the</span> <span class="hps">Brazilian coast</span><span>, with trips</span> <span class="hps">1-3</span> <span class="hps">days at sea.</span> <span class="hps">I thought…</span></span></p>
<p><span id="result_box" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><span class="hps">Hi</span> <span class="hps">Axel,</span> <span class="hps">our intention</span> <span class="hps">is to go from</span> <span class="hps">Rio de Janeiro to</span> <span class="hps">Fernando de</span> <span class="hps">Noronha,</span> <span class="hps">up the</span> <span class="hps">Brazilian coast</span><span>, with trips</span> <span class="hps">1-3</span> <span class="hps">days at sea.</span> <span class="hps">I thought</span> <span class="hps">having</span> <span class="hps">three liters</span> <span class="hps">per person for 4</span> <span class="hps">people for</span> <span class="hps">15 days</span> <span class="hps">=</span> <span class="hps">180 liters</span><span>.</span> <span class="hps">But these</span> <span class="hps">50Lts</span> <span class="hps">tanks</span> <span class="hps">are</span> <span class="hps">cheap here</span><span>.</span> <span class="hps">So</span> <span class="hps">I can use</span> <span class="hps">two</span> <span class="hps">on each side.</span> <span class="hps">by</span> <span class="hps">connecting the</span> <span class="hps">hoses.</span><br/> <span class="hps">We will have</span> <span class="hps">an</span> <span class="hps">electric</span> <span class="hps">pump</span> <span class="hps">to serve</span> <span class="hps">three</span> <span class="hps">taps</span><span>, kitchen</span><span>, bathroom and</span> <span class="hps">shower</span> <span class="hps">cockpit.</span> <span class="hps">The</span> <span class="hps">biggest</span> <span class="hps">doubt</span> <span class="hps">is</span> <span class="hps">how</span> <span class="hps">to pull</span> <span class="hps">the</span><span class="hps"> </span> <span class="hps">water</span> to</span> <span id="result_box" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><span class="hps">four</span></span> <span id="result_box" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><span class="hps">tanks</span> <span class="hps">at the same</span> <span class="hps">time.</span> <span class="hps">If this is</span> <span class="hps">really necessary,</span> <span class="hps">or if</span> <span class="hps">I have to</span> <span class="hps">manually control</span> <span class="hps">the level</span> <span class="hps">of the tanks. And where make holes in hull and cockpit.</span></span></p>
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<p><span lang="en" xml:lang="en"><span class="hps">T</span></span><span id="result_box" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><span class="hps">hanks for</span> <span class="hps">your answer</span></span></p>
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<cite>Axel said:</cite><br/>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/hidraulic-plans?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A44921&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2195841Comment44642"><div><p>Rogerio, it looks like you have a T30. How much you need is entirely personal. Do you want only drinking water, do you want freshwater showers, will you have to have enough for long passages? Electric or manual pumps?</p>
<p>For me with my T38 I wanted enough for 1 gallon/4 liters of drinking water for 4 people for a possible maximum of 30 days. This is planning for the longest ocean crossing we are likely to do, with a small margin of safety. That's 120 gallons or almost 500 liters. A lot of water and a lot of weight. I did not want to be lashing plastic water cans all over the place so I built 2 linked water tanks under the main bunk on the starboard side to hold 50 gallons/200 liters total. a smaller 20 gallon/80 liter tank in the saloon. The balance will be in plastic 5 gallon/20 liter cans, used only when necessary and stored in the saloon under the seats. (I built my saloon with a free-standing table and bench seats on three sides.)</p>
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<p>The idea is to use the saloon tank for cooking and drinking, refill from the starboard tanks as needed. The saloon tank for the galley also will provide freshwater for the sink in the head. The water pumps for those two are manual foot pumps. That will give us a good idea of water consumption and will be the only place to draw water. It will have a filter. Depending on the source of the water when refilling tanks it's a good idea to add a little bleach to each tank. I don't remember the amounts but perhaps something like a drop per liter? I am not too worried about the water weight. The heavy tanks are centralized and will only weigh 100 kg or so more than the other side at most. I also have a manual desalinator for emergency use.</p>
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<p>My build has been stopped for a while now because of an injury, unrelated to the boat and I have not yet plumbed everything in. But the plan is to have deck fills for the tanks on each hull. Water will be pumped from starboard to the saloon tank using the deck fills and a small 12 volt pump. I designed it this way to force a regular check on water consumption with manual foot pumps to limit waste. If you have electric pumps you can get small submersible pumps that you put in the tank that need no priming. With the small height difference between your tanks and the sinks even an externally mounted tank would need no priming and the delay to get water would be minimal.</p>
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</blockquote> Rogerio,i would be careful no…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-07-31:2195841:Comment:449212011-07-31T17:19:15.582Zpaul andersonhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/paulanderson
<p>Rogerio,i would be careful not to have all your water supply connected together for risk of contamination is higher as well as the risk of loosing it to a leak in the system.in my opinion having seperate water storage tanks is the way to go.</p>
<p>cheers paul.</p>
<p>Rogerio,i would be careful not to have all your water supply connected together for risk of contamination is higher as well as the risk of loosing it to a leak in the system.in my opinion having seperate water storage tanks is the way to go.</p>
<p>cheers paul.</p> Rogerio, it looks like you ha…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-07-31:2195841:Comment:446422011-07-31T16:02:19.683ZAxelhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Axel
<p>Rogerio, it looks like you have a T30. How much you need is entirely personal. Do you want only drinking water, do you want freshwater showers, will you have to have enough for long passages? Electric or manual pumps?</p>
<p>For me with my T38 I wanted enough for 1 gallon/4 liters of drinking water for 4 people for a possible maximum of 30 days. This is planning for the longest ocean crossing we are likely to do, with a small margin of safety. That's 120 gallons or almost 500 liters. A lot…</p>
<p>Rogerio, it looks like you have a T30. How much you need is entirely personal. Do you want only drinking water, do you want freshwater showers, will you have to have enough for long passages? Electric or manual pumps?</p>
<p>For me with my T38 I wanted enough for 1 gallon/4 liters of drinking water for 4 people for a possible maximum of 30 days. This is planning for the longest ocean crossing we are likely to do, with a small margin of safety. That's 120 gallons or almost 500 liters. A lot of water and a lot of weight. I did not want to be lashing plastic water cans all over the place so I built 2 linked water tanks under the main bunk on the starboard side to hold 50 gallons/200 liters total. a smaller 20 gallon/80 liter tank in the saloon. The balance will be in plastic 5 gallon/20 liter cans, used only when necessary and stored in the saloon under the seats. (I built my saloon with a free-standing table and bench seats on three sides.)</p>
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<p>The idea is to use the saloon tank for cooking and drinking, refill from the starboard tanks as needed. The saloon tank for the galley also will provide freshwater for the sink in the head. The water pumps for those two are manual foot pumps. That will give us a good idea of water consumption and will be the only place to draw water. It will have a filter. Depending on the source of the water when refilling tanks it's a good idea to add a little bleach to each tank. I don't remember the amounts but perhaps something like a drop per liter? I am not too worried about the water weight. The heavy tanks are centralized and will only weigh 100 kg or so more than the other side at most. I also have a manual desalinator for emergency use.</p>
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<p>My build has been stopped for a while now because of an injury, unrelated to the boat and I have not yet plumbed everything in. But the plan is to have deck fills for the tanks on each hull. Water will be pumped from starboard to the saloon tank using the deck fills and a small 12 volt pump. I designed it this way to force a regular check on water consumption with manual foot pumps to limit waste. If you have electric pumps you can get small submersible pumps that you put in the tank that need no priming. With the small height difference between your tanks and the sinks even an externally mounted tank would need no priming and the delay to get water would be minimal.</p> Each tank 50 l (+- 14 gal), w…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2011-07-31:2195841:Comment:450102011-07-31T14:24:11.040ZRogerio Martinhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RogerioMartin
Each tank 50 l (+- 14 gal), we bougth 2 tanks, we can buy another 2, or not.
Each tank 50 l (+- 14 gal), we bougth 2 tanks, we can buy another 2, or not.