Double forestay: cutter, solent or side by side? - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-28T14:51:47Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/double-forestay-cutter-solent-or-side-by-side?xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noTypically side by side forest…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2022-05-06:2195841:Comment:2931952022-05-06T08:46:49.570ZFinnhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Finn
<p>Typically side by side forestays were used to facilitate headsail changes prior to the advent to twin track foils.</p>
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<p>The inner headsail could be used with an integral stay. A dynema rope inside a sleeve to give a removable forestay or, if you want to be all fancy, a structured luff. Tacking is still a pain which is why the clew on the forward jig on a cutter tends to have a high clew to help clear the inner forestay.</p>
<p>Typically side by side forestays were used to facilitate headsail changes prior to the advent to twin track foils.</p>
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<p>The inner headsail could be used with an integral stay. A dynema rope inside a sleeve to give a removable forestay or, if you want to be all fancy, a structured luff. Tacking is still a pain which is why the clew on the forward jig on a cutter tends to have a high clew to help clear the inner forestay.</p> That's the first time I've he…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2022-04-08:2195841:Comment:2928602022-04-08T08:02:43.162ZRobert Hugheshttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RobertHughes
<p>That's the first time I've heard of a cat that can't be steered without a headsail. The method of tacking might be a bit different because you wouldn't be able to back a jib, but still possible. I wouldn't think it would be an issue on the T31.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Panu Väänänen said:…</cite></p>
<p>That's the first time I've heard of a cat that can't be steered without a headsail. The method of tacking might be a bit different because you wouldn't be able to back a jib, but still possible. I wouldn't think it would be an issue on the T31.<br/> <br/> <cite>Panu Väänänen said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/double-forestay-cutter-solent-or-side-by-side?page=1&commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A293089&x=1#2195841Comment293089"><div><p>Thanks, Robert.</p>
<p>I talked with my dad and found out that the whole second forestay conversation comes from the fact that his previous catamaran couldn't be steered at all without a headsail. Therefore he feels that we should be able to hoist a storm jib before lowering the jib.</p>
<p>Tiki 31 might be more steerable. We haven't really tried. But your idea (or a removable side by side stay) sounds good (if we don't keep it simple, which sounds even better if the steering issue isn't there).</p>
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</blockquote> Thanks, Robert.
I talked with…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2022-04-07:2195841:Comment:2930892022-04-07T09:42:14.224ZPanu Väänänenhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/PanuVaeaenaenen
<p>Thanks, Robert.</p>
<p>I talked with my dad and found out that the whole second forestay conversation comes from the fact that his previous catamaran couldn't be steered at all without a headsail. Therefore he feels that we should be able to hoist a storm jib before lowering the jib.</p>
<p>Tiki 31 might be more steerable. We haven't really tried. But your idea (or a removable side by side stay) sounds good (if we don't keep it simple, which sounds even better if the steering issue isn't…</p>
<p>Thanks, Robert.</p>
<p>I talked with my dad and found out that the whole second forestay conversation comes from the fact that his previous catamaran couldn't be steered at all without a headsail. Therefore he feels that we should be able to hoist a storm jib before lowering the jib.</p>
<p>Tiki 31 might be more steerable. We haven't really tried. But your idea (or a removable side by side stay) sounds good (if we don't keep it simple, which sounds even better if the steering issue isn't there).</p> With the stays side by side,…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2022-04-05:2195841:Comment:2928532022-04-05T10:21:06.572ZRobert Hugheshttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RobertHughes
<p>With the stays side by side, chaff could be a serious issue. Running "wing & wing" is fine, but when you have a jib on only one stay it could chaff on the other stay if it's flown on that side.</p>
<p>For the use you're describing I think I would go for a removable inner forestay (from the masthead). As long as the tack is far enough back from the permanent forestay you'll still be able to tack or gybe a normal foresail unless it goes right to the top. Having said that, I'm not sure…</p>
<p>With the stays side by side, chaff could be a serious issue. Running "wing & wing" is fine, but when you have a jib on only one stay it could chaff on the other stay if it's flown on that side.</p>
<p>For the use you're describing I think I would go for a removable inner forestay (from the masthead). As long as the tack is far enough back from the permanent forestay you'll still be able to tack or gybe a normal foresail unless it goes right to the top. Having said that, I'm not sure you need a second one at all. I would keep it simple !</p>