Checked Out? - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-28T16:21:32Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/checked-out?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A5391&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noFound this link which include…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2009-02-07:2195841:Comment:53912009-02-07T18:23:44.000ZPatrickhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/PatrickHouquet
Found this link which includes reactions from RB<br />
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<a href="http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/multihulls/low-price-catamarans-21614-17.html">http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/multihulls/low-price-catamarans-21614-17.html</a><br />
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a sad story...
Found this link which includes reactions from RB<br />
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<a href="http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/multihulls/low-price-catamarans-21614-17.html">http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/multihulls/low-price-catamarans-21614-17.html</a><br />
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a sad story... I've been following this disc…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2009-02-05:2195841:Comment:52842009-02-05T01:54:14.000ZBob Boishttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BobBois
I've been following this discussion with interest. I've had occasion to correspond with Creed regarding his build and other things, and I'm saddened that it all had to work out this way.<br />
It seems hit or miss that people who hire a yard to build their boats either are thrilled or completely disappointed with the end result. Expectations too high? Shoddy workmanship? Lack of quality materials in far flung countries? Who knows?<br />
I do agree with Jacques that building the boat yourself is the…
I've been following this discussion with interest. I've had occasion to correspond with Creed regarding his build and other things, and I'm saddened that it all had to work out this way.<br />
It seems hit or miss that people who hire a yard to build their boats either are thrilled or completely disappointed with the end result. Expectations too high? Shoddy workmanship? Lack of quality materials in far flung countries? Who knows?<br />
I do agree with Jacques that building the boat yourself is the ''Wharram" way but there are circumstances that warrant having the build contracted out for whatever reason (lack of desire to build, lack of skills, lack of time...the list goes on). I would also agree with Jacques that if you build it yourself and you're unsatisfied...you need only look in the mirror (for less money).<br />
I'm making my best effort at building a Tiki 46 with reasonable materials and 'amateur' skills. At least I have complete control over the end result. That counts for something...to me, anyway. Right on Neil I was an xpat i…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2009-02-04:2195841:Comment:52772009-02-04T21:30:44.000ZDave Mellorhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/DaveMellor
Right on Neil I was an xpat in Indonesia for many years and observed a lot of similar things like this occur including boatbuildind yards run buy xpat 'bule's.[whitey]Id keep to myself a lot and worked with local people mainly as there seems to be a strong attraction to the type of character who thinks they are far away enough from their own country that they can get away with anything, as well as bleeding the locals in that particular place.Build your own whether it takes more time or not and…
Right on Neil I was an xpat in Indonesia for many years and observed a lot of similar things like this occur including boatbuildind yards run buy xpat 'bule's.[whitey]Id keep to myself a lot and worked with local people mainly as there seems to be a strong attraction to the type of character who thinks they are far away enough from their own country that they can get away with anything, as well as bleeding the locals in that particular place.Build your own whether it takes more time or not and get even more out of it knowing you achieved it yourself Is this th e boat in the phot…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2009-02-04:2195841:Comment:52712009-02-04T11:08:40.000ZDave Mellorhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/DaveMellor
Is this th e boat in the photos made by the ethnic catamaran company??
Is this th e boat in the photos made by the ethnic catamaran company?? Friends,
I've had several em…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2009-02-04:2195841:Comment:52562009-02-04T03:21:05.000Zboatsmithhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/qe0j3ojqb10
Friends,<br />
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I've had several emails asking about the launch of my Tiki 38 in Thailand.<br />
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Well, it was launched – following a long, 18-month build – but in the end,<br />
the vessel was not up to scratch. Substantial amounts of inventory were either<br />
not fitted or not of the brand/standard specified. There were also significant<br />
questions about the integrity of the steering, the rig and other elements that<br />
were not built to spec' and the overall finish was very poor – even<br />
compared to many home-built Tiki…
Friends,<br />
<br />
I've had several emails asking about the launch of my Tiki 38 in Thailand.<br />
<br />
Well, it was launched – following a long, 18-month build – but in the end,<br />
the vessel was not up to scratch. Substantial amounts of inventory were either<br />
not fitted or not of the brand/standard specified. There were also significant<br />
questions about the integrity of the steering, the rig and other elements that<br />
were not built to spec' and the overall finish was very poor – even<br />
compared to many home-built Tiki 38s.<br />
<br />
Clearly, the supervision and care that was was apparent in the initial stages<br />
of the build – then entrusted to the yard when I visited them again in late<br />
2007 – had deteriorated.<br />
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I'm not the only one to think so. Shortly after my vessel was launched,<br />
Warren Matthews, who commissioned the build of another Tiki 38 at the yard,<br />
stopped his build, collected the unfinished hulls and deck and shipped them back<br />
to New Zealand for completion by the highly respected David Norris yard. Warren<br />
is likely to document his issues with RB Power And Sailing on his own blog.<br />
<br />
I have refused to accept delivery of the vessel. I have also refused to pay<br />
more than $16,000 dollars in unspecified and unagreed to overages – on top of<br />
$8,500 in overages I paid last year – which represent well over 15% of the<br />
total build price. I have refused to waive the warranties agreed to by the<br />
builder in his contract – indeed, he now seeks indemnities against any future<br />
problems with the boat.<br />
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Yes, I am likely to lose the $135,000 plus substantial travel expenses I have<br />
already invested in the vessel. However, if I accept delivery, I would have to<br />
pay more than 50% of this amount to have it released from the yard and to<br />
rebuild/refit – and that's if I could find a yard in the region that could<br />
be trusted to undertake it.<br />
<br />
I have returned to Australia to put some distance between myself and this mess,<br />
which is now in the hands of the Bangkok office of a very reputable and<br />
aggressive firm of litigators. Right now, the money is not as pressing as my<br />
health – but clearly this situation is enormously disappointing (to say the<br />
very least).<br />
<br />
Thanks for all your notes of interest and support. I'd appreciate it if you<br />
would warn (in any way you can) your friends and fellow-sailors against<br />
considering a build ar the RB Power And Sailing yard – or, indeed, any yard<br />
that is not right on a would-be owner's doorstep. The risks aren't worth<br />
it.<br />
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Warmest regards,<br />
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C boatsmith said:Creed's build…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2009-02-04:2195841:Comment:52542009-02-04T01:51:17.000ZBudget Boaterhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BudgetBoater
<cite>boatsmith said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/checked-out?page=1&commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A5251&x=1#2195841Comment5251"><div>Creed's build has turned to do-do. This is according to an email he sent out to friends. David</div>
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Can you elaborate?
<cite>boatsmith said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/checked-out?page=1&commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A5251&x=1#2195841Comment5251"><div>Creed's build has turned to do-do. This is according to an email he sent out to friends. David</div>
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Can you elaborate? Creed's build has turned to d…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2009-02-03:2195841:Comment:52512009-02-03T23:32:49.000Zboatsmithhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/qe0j3ojqb10
Creed's build has turned to do-do. This is according to an email he sent out to friends. David
Creed's build has turned to do-do. This is according to an email he sent out to friends. David Looks like Creed made it. If…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2009-01-24:2195841:Comment:49212009-01-24T13:26:21.000ZBrianhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Brian
Looks like Creed made it. If you follow this link you will see Admad Bin Majid at sea.<br />
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<a href="http://www.powerandsailing.com/boats-catamarans/catamaran-sailing-tiki-38.html">http://www.powerandsailing.com/boats-catamarans/catamaran-sailing-tiki-38.html</a>
Looks like Creed made it. If you follow this link you will see Admad Bin Majid at sea.<br />
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<a href="http://www.powerandsailing.com/boats-catamarans/catamaran-sailing-tiki-38.html">http://www.powerandsailing.com/boats-catamarans/catamaran-sailing-tiki-38.html</a> Its weird, no news in any of…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2009-01-19:2195841:Comment:47262009-01-19T23:14:17.000ZMatias Vidalhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/MatiasVidal
Its weird, no news in any of the related sites:<br />
<a href="http://raoulbianchetti.blogspot.com/">http://raoulbianchetti.blogspot.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://warmat.squarespace.com/">http://warmat.squarespace.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.powerandsailing.com">http://www.powerandsailing.com</a><br />
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I would love to see that boat sailing.
Its weird, no news in any of the related sites:<br />
<a href="http://raoulbianchetti.blogspot.com/">http://raoulbianchetti.blogspot.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://warmat.squarespace.com/">http://warmat.squarespace.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.powerandsailing.com">http://www.powerandsailing.com</a><br />
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I would love to see that boat sailing. Maybe his desire was to just…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2009-01-19:2195841:Comment:47232009-01-19T22:53:21.000ZBudget Boaterhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BudgetBoater
Maybe his desire was to just sail and leave the rest of the world behind. Who knows?
Maybe his desire was to just sail and leave the rest of the world behind. Who knows?