bottom painting without haul out in marina - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T06:13:05Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/bottom-painting-without-haul-out-in-marina?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A104359&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi Anne and Neville,
I am als…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-08-20:2195841:Comment:1055032013-08-20T15:57:29.385ZRogerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RogerSullivan
<p>Hi Anne and Neville,</p>
<p>I am also a fan of beach painting although much easier on a little Tiki 21 than your boat. The fastest drying soft ablative paint that I have found is Interlux Bottomkote XXX - 2 hours touch dry and 12 hours before immersion. You can't get it in the US anymore, but can mail order from Canada. Last time I used the new US brand Interlux Bottomkote Pro - it specifies 16 hours before immersion. Mine was under water after an hour or so and it has worked just…</p>
<p>Hi Anne and Neville,</p>
<p>I am also a fan of beach painting although much easier on a little Tiki 21 than your boat. The fastest drying soft ablative paint that I have found is Interlux Bottomkote XXX - 2 hours touch dry and 12 hours before immersion. You can't get it in the US anymore, but can mail order from Canada. Last time I used the new US brand Interlux Bottomkote Pro - it specifies 16 hours before immersion. Mine was under water after an hour or so and it has worked just fine.</p>
<p>Roger</p> The Marina is Pensacola shipy…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-08-15:2195841:Comment:1050572013-08-15T01:45:05.139ZJeff Kittlehttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/JeffKittle
<p>The Marina is Pensacola shipyard in Florida. Sue corrected me. Its $10 per foot, so $460. We made our boat 24.5 ft wide so the marina should be able to handle any Tiki 46. (25ft wide Travel lift bay).</p>
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<p>Sue and I are in Saginaw, MI. We are going to Pensacola in October to put some xynol cloth on our beams and put some curved hardwood pads under the lashings. $75 per half hour for crane to lift off the masts and deck pod.</p>
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<p>Would love to get together with you as…</p>
<p>The Marina is Pensacola shipyard in Florida. Sue corrected me. Its $10 per foot, so $460. We made our boat 24.5 ft wide so the marina should be able to handle any Tiki 46. (25ft wide Travel lift bay).</p>
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<p>Sue and I are in Saginaw, MI. We are going to Pensacola in October to put some xynol cloth on our beams and put some curved hardwood pads under the lashings. $75 per half hour for crane to lift off the masts and deck pod.</p>
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<p>Would love to get together with you as well. Maybe we will go to the Abocos this year or next.......</p> Did you do any special ways w…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-08-07:2195841:Comment:1047382013-08-07T10:51:40.509ZAnn and Neville Clementhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AnnandNevilleClement922
<p>Did you do any special ways with the ues of the travel lift? 495 isa good price. But free is also good if the tide is high enough to give you time and our 11 footers work well at Cape Cod. There was plenty of time and with the raised bottom paint level, there will only need to be the scraping and no more green slime on the topsides paint to clean off. Nev is likely going to figure out a way to get the boat above the sand level. The first ten years we did not feel the need to inspect the…</p>
<p>Did you do any special ways with the ues of the travel lift? 495 isa good price. But free is also good if the tide is high enough to give you time and our 11 footers work well at Cape Cod. There was plenty of time and with the raised bottom paint level, there will only need to be the scraping and no more green slime on the topsides paint to clean off. Nev is likely going to figure out a way to get the boat above the sand level. The first ten years we did not feel the need to inspect the hulls so closely so hauling every other year or every third year was ok. But now she is 11 and I like the idea of annual paint of one coat and close inspection when I do it. So far, all looks wonderfully well, but if anything goes wrong, I want to get right after it and not wait for every other year haul outs. Which yard did you use, Jeff?</p>
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<p>And where are you now? Did you go through at Panama? Or will you come back to Bahamas? Would love to see you all again! Love, Ann and Nev</p> We haul out at Pensacola ship…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-08-07:2195841:Comment:1045482013-08-07T03:16:28.515ZJeff Kittlehttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/JeffKittle
<p>We haul out at Pensacola shipyard. They have a travel lift wide enough and they charge us 495 dollars for haul out, blocking, and re-launch. So if you want to sand the boat or make it easy to do the bottom of the keel you should take a tour of the west coast of Florida. Consider a trip through the Keys and up.</p>
<p>We haul out at Pensacola shipyard. They have a travel lift wide enough and they charge us 495 dollars for haul out, blocking, and re-launch. So if you want to sand the boat or make it easy to do the bottom of the keel you should take a tour of the west coast of Florida. Consider a trip through the Keys and up.</p> You might use the wetsuit boo…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-08-04:2195841:Comment:1046902013-08-04T13:04:47.836ZRussell and Janet Puryearhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RussellPuryear
<p>You might use the wetsuit booties that work with scuba fins instead of sneakers and socks. Buy on line.</p>
<p>You might use the wetsuit booties that work with scuba fins instead of sneakers and socks. Buy on line.</p> Hi Andy,
What I saw gettin…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-08-02:2195841:Comment:1044452013-08-02T23:19:36.063ZAnn and Neville Clementhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AnnandNevilleClement922
<p>Hi Andy,</p>
<p> What I saw getting scraped off our boat bottom was some shell and some goo that looked a lot like the typical slime you so often see even on top of rather fresh antifouling. So I think our ablative does gradually wear away as it is designed to do while we sail along, and our scraping just prior to painting does not take much away at all. The Coast Guard was right there aboard their big boat right in the middle of the Provincetown anchorage, so they had to have seen us…</p>
<p>Hi Andy,</p>
<p> What I saw getting scraped off our boat bottom was some shell and some goo that looked a lot like the typical slime you so often see even on top of rather fresh antifouling. So I think our ablative does gradually wear away as it is designed to do while we sail along, and our scraping just prior to painting does not take much away at all. The Coast Guard was right there aboard their big boat right in the middle of the Provincetown anchorage, so they had to have seen us and never came around. I believe all boats in marina haul outs get pressure washed and that is all that is usually required if you plan to repaint after ablative antifoul has served its time and needs to be replaced. Brushing our hulls likely is not needed. They are quite fair still and the 8 inch sheet rock scraper is really quick and effective. I will certainly honestly evaluate our success here, and we may need to select super drying weather next time (we had rather high humidity but a gentle breeze last week) </p>
<p> Having built the boat, we still like to take care of her ourselves even though we are old now. We also like to be independent. And we really do like keeping that high haul out cost away from our budget. Last time we hauled, the total marina and crane charges equaled our insurance. The crane was the biggest part of the bill.</p>
<p> Now that Nev and I are back in action raising sails and heading south again in the autumn, we hope to see everyone and catch up on all the news. We missed all our sailing friends very much this past year.</p>
<p> Love, Ann and Nev</p> One of the old timer fisherme…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-08-02:2195841:Comment:1042832013-08-02T16:40:31.735ZBob Boishttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BobBois
<p>One of the old timer fishermen in Nahant told us he was sad to see our boat get sold because it used to be fun to watch us do things 'the old way'. He said, "I'm gonna miss you guys. You're like the Amish!"</p>
<p>One of the old timer fishermen in Nahant told us he was sad to see our boat get sold because it used to be fun to watch us do things 'the old way'. He said, "I'm gonna miss you guys. You're like the Amish!"</p> Ahoy Ann, Nev, and Alex,
…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-08-02:2195841:Comment:1043642013-08-02T12:19:21.959Zandy solywodahttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/andysolywoda
<p>Ahoy Ann, Nev, and Alex,</p>
<p> I have done this twice, both times up in Connecticut. One aspect is that you are scraping debris into the environment, and if it includes copper and tin paint, it could result in Dept of Natural Resource activity. The first time I was scouted by the authorities, but it was too shallow and an island, so there was no intervention. The second time it was within a marina that had a nice shingle beach with a gentle slope. Fortunately low tide was in the…</p>
<p>Ahoy Ann, Nev, and Alex,</p>
<p> I have done this twice, both times up in Connecticut. One aspect is that you are scraping debris into the environment, and if it includes copper and tin paint, it could result in Dept of Natural Resource activity. The first time I was scouted by the authorities, but it was too shallow and an island, so there was no intervention. The second time it was within a marina that had a nice shingle beach with a gentle slope. Fortunately low tide was in the evening when they all went home.</p>
<p> When the hulls are duly scraped I used a stiff brush, then wiped them down with towels and denatured alcohol to speed the drying process. I used an ice chopper to scrape the hulls.</p>
<p> One problem is if weather changes or if a sea builds up unexpectedly. Otherwise, it is the way it has been done for centuries.</p> Yes Careenage should be a nor…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-08-02:2195841:Comment:1043602013-08-02T11:10:00.082Zalexhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/alexvg
<p>Yes Careenage should be a normal practice among us wharramists, and i have been making it couple of times to change the speed meter wheel from the depth sounder since it was impossible to do it by diving.</p>
<p>i was a novice in terms of ablative painting so i conducted a research of possible painting brand before leaving the US, and i ended up buying Pettit SR 40 in a whole seller for a reasonable price, was over $100 bucks though, i think more close to the $200 the gallon if i am…</p>
<p>Yes Careenage should be a normal practice among us wharramists, and i have been making it couple of times to change the speed meter wheel from the depth sounder since it was impossible to do it by diving.</p>
<p>i was a novice in terms of ablative painting so i conducted a research of possible painting brand before leaving the US, and i ended up buying Pettit SR 40 in a whole seller for a reasonable price, was over $100 bucks though, i think more close to the $200 the gallon if i am recalling well. we had 2 gallons on board waiting for the right opportunity. we asked prices everywhere and after visiting many of the boatyards in the caribbean 3 or 4 spots were the less pricey ones: GEORGETOWN / Bahamas (about 500 +stay days) , Virgin Gorda /BVI , Luperon Rep. Dominicana(i would not recommend this place though since they have many problems in both marinas and wasn't that cheap after all, all controlled by the Marine department and paperwork), there is a careenage beach at the entrance. Grenada Marine/ Grenada looked really good as its competitive and easy to import any material from the US in an easy swift way. and finally we chose to haul out in Chaguaramas/Trinidad after discard Venezuela because theft / piracy fears. Chaguaramas has only 2 yards that allows our wide boat: Powerboats and Peaks , we choose Peaks -they were pricier but could haul out with just 3 or 4 days waiting time instead 2 weeks of Power boats. we payed around 700 dollars for a 10 days stay, we performed all the works and we felt really good there.</p>
<p>i was researching about the compatibility chart online for pettit, and decided to sand out ALL the painting, then start from the bare hull again, that required more work and more painting coats (primer and ablative paint) when we painted the hulls took 3/4 of a gallon per hull and coat , instead the 1 gallon for both hulls as stated in the paint label (after making the maths) , so i decided to use both pettit cans i had for one hull which gave 3 layers plus a 4th layer at the water line and rudder and buy Jotun brand (is local made and 1/3 of the rest of brands if purchased directly from the Jotun branch in Chaguaramas) the results: after one year , both hulls looks and performed the same ..... if i can recall right Jotun was just 60 dollars the gallon , for the ones who want the accurate price i can "dive' into my ticket box.</p>
<p>i want to mention as well that the US , specially south of Florida was very hard to get an affordable yard and the ones who were available were very pricey and full of regulations, we were glad to buy all the materials to upgrade the boat while our long stay in Dinner Key Marina (at the mooring) . this proved to be a good place and country to buy materials, since ALL other countries/places were at least as double as much (including Chaguaramas) . Through the internet you can find the best price, print the page and then go to West Marine and ask to match that price which they will be happy to do. so we got the best country prices , plus the free shipping (to their branch) and good after sell services that West Marine has. WM dont have all the brands/materials we wanted so other retailers as River Marine was also matching the prices with the advantage that we DID NOT payed the US taxes if the boat and buyer are foreigners. the downside was that River Marine was way longer than West Marine (at walking distance from dinner key). Hope this report helps other fellows in taking decisions...</p>
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I do not expect t…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-08-02:2195841:Comment:1043592013-08-02T08:12:05.467ZAnn and Neville Clementhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AnnandNevilleClement922
<p>Hi Alex,</p>
<p> I do not expect this paint to last as well as it would have with 24 hours drying time and maybe even a second coat with another 24 hours drying time. I did get two years or even more from the paint I applied when using marina haul out and two coats well dried. But that cost two or three thousand dollars just for the haul, so maybe my math will work out better using more frequent beach painting for free and only one coat per year. Seems like two coats every other year…</p>
<p>Hi Alex,</p>
<p> I do not expect this paint to last as well as it would have with 24 hours drying time and maybe even a second coat with another 24 hours drying time. I did get two years or even more from the paint I applied when using marina haul out and two coats well dried. But that cost two or three thousand dollars just for the haul, so maybe my math will work out better using more frequent beach painting for free and only one coat per year. Seems like two coats every other year equals one coat each year......? A yearly practice of beach hauling using the tides at Cape Cod will not be too hard. Antifoul paint is less than 100 dollars per gallon and annual inspection of the entire underwater structure from the other end of a paint brush is a good idea too. My labor is free. I sure can use the 2 or 3 thousand dollars savings!</p>
<p> I remember with my old monohull, the boat was painted in the yard while sitting with poppits holding her up. The travel lift came and lifted her up and she stayed for an extra few minutes in the slings while I painted the places the poppits covered after lightly sanding those seven little areas. Then they launched the boat after only a few more minutes and those seven little areas did not look much different the next year at haul out time. That paint went right into the water and worked for a year until I hauled that old boat again. Due to ice, boats up here either sail south like we do, or haul out for the winter. I don't remember much in the way of problems with those patch areas. But I will let you know, honestly, how this works. Maybe I will have a problem and maybe not. Maybe I will learn ways to overcome problems. For 2 or 3 thousand savings, I am willing to try. This is the way the commercial fish boats used to do it years ago. Old charts often refer to the "careenage" and that is where boats painted using the tides like I did last week. They just let a monohull lie down on the sand. I remember seeing it thirty years ago here in Rhode Island. </p>
<p> All the best, Ann and Nev</p>