Before ordering West System, I ask for some clarifications - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T09:07:57Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/before-ordering-west-system-i-ask-for-some-clarifications?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A133097&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt looks like an excellent pr…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-07-19:2195841:Comment:1331122015-07-19T00:20:03.746ZÉric Bouvéronhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Bouveron
It looks like an excellent product in the lucky USofA. However ...<br />
«no - just me here in the USA - cannot ship most products outside the USA<br />
paul»
It looks like an excellent product in the lucky USofA. However ...<br />
«no - just me here in the USA - cannot ship most products outside the USA<br />
paul» If you are worried about "doc…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-07-18:2195841:Comment:1331102015-07-18T12:07:58.102ZBudget Boaterhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BudgetBoater
<p>If you are worried about "documentation" then try Progressive Epoxy (it is what we use, and have been since abandoning West nearly 15 years ago.) There is more documentation on their website than you could ever read in one lifetime. It is much cheaper than West System, is non-blushing (hooray!), can be re-coated within 24 hours without sanding, and they sell all types of great fillers.</p>
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<p>The amount of data on their website will make your head spin; visit at your own risk - YOU…</p>
<p>If you are worried about "documentation" then try Progressive Epoxy (it is what we use, and have been since abandoning West nearly 15 years ago.) There is more documentation on their website than you could ever read in one lifetime. It is much cheaper than West System, is non-blushing (hooray!), can be re-coated within 24 hours without sanding, and they sell all types of great fillers.</p>
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<p>The amount of data on their website will make your head spin; visit at your own risk - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.epoxyproducts.com/" target="_blank">EpoxyProducts.com</a> - if you ever have to call for some technical support, chances are you will end up talking directly with the owner.</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Éric Bouvéron said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/before-ordering-west-system-i-ask-for-some-clarifications?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A133045&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2195841Comment132859"><div>Yes, there is, there are many manufacturers, but the fact is that documentation and availability is not always possible for every brand. Germans of course but also Frenchs have a lot of brands, but I am not in Europe and I worry about the differences in quality.</div>
</blockquote> Yes, there is, there are many…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-07-18:2195841:Comment:1328592015-07-18T05:59:36.591ZÉric Bouvéronhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Bouveron
Yes, there is, there are many manufacturers, but the fact is that documentation and availability is not always possible for every brand. Germans of course but also Frenchs have a lot of brands, but I am not in Europe and I worry about the differences in quality.
Yes, there is, there are many manufacturers, but the fact is that documentation and availability is not always possible for every brand. Germans of course but also Frenchs have a lot of brands, but I am not in Europe and I worry about the differences in quality. West is way too expansive an…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-07-18:2195841:Comment:1330452015-07-18T05:32:24.616ZBjörnhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Bjorn
West is way too expansive an the minipumps always clog up, try <a href="http://www.bootsservice-behnke.de" target="_blank">www.bootsservice-behnke.de</a>, way better value for money, very easy mixing ratios, it will cost you about a third of West.. I did all my recent projects with it and in my opinion it works better than West.
West is way too expansive an the minipumps always clog up, try <a href="http://www.bootsservice-behnke.de" target="_blank">www.bootsservice-behnke.de</a>, way better value for money, very easy mixing ratios, it will cost you about a third of West.. I did all my recent projects with it and in my opinion it works better than West. Thank you for sharing your kn…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-07-17:2195841:Comment:1328532015-07-17T12:55:56.702ZÉric Bouvéronhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Bouveron
Thank you for sharing your knowledge Budget Boater!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge Budget Boater! The quantities are correct so…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-07-17:2195841:Comment:1330422015-07-17T12:49:27.497ZBudget Boaterhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BudgetBoater
<p>The quantities are correct so long as you are not wasteful.</p>
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<p>It is important to understand that West System is a blushing epoxy. It uses amine blush to cure, which must be removed (usually by sanding) before it can be coated with any other substance, including more epoxy. (West now makes non-blushing epoxy for significantly more expense.)</p>
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<p>Each type of filler has a different purpose. Combining different fillers in different proportions will accomplish different…</p>
<p>The quantities are correct so long as you are not wasteful.</p>
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<p>It is important to understand that West System is a blushing epoxy. It uses amine blush to cure, which must be removed (usually by sanding) before it can be coated with any other substance, including more epoxy. (West now makes non-blushing epoxy for significantly more expense.)</p>
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<p>Each type of filler has a different purpose. Combining different fillers in different proportions will accomplish different results. Silica adds strength to epoxy and is used to reduce sag. However it makes the epoxy VERY Hard, which makes it difficult to sand if you add too much. If you use only silica, it can make the cured epoxy quite brittle. We tend to only add silica at a maximum proportion of 1/2 (silica) to 1 (mixed epoxy) by volume, regardless of any other fillers we might be using with it.</p>
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<p>There are two different types of micro balloons: High density and low density. High density balloons (with a higher specific gravity) are used for fillets in conjunction with silica. Low density balloons (with a lower specific gravity) are used for making easy to sand faring compound, which is applied thinly over any surface that needs to me smoothed.</p>
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<p>If you want to make thickened glues, then you will want to acquire a cellulose powder. When used in conjunction with silica, you can make thickened glues to any consistency you like for any gluing purpose during your build.</p>
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<p>Glass tape is glass tape. You don't need to purchase WS brand. Just find a fiberglass supplier and order 10oz glass tape in the width you want. Biaxial glass is a significantly different product, and much harder to use.</p> Ton blog est excellent, Jean…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-07-16:2195841:Comment:1330272015-07-16T13:53:11.415ZÉric Bouvéronhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Bouveron
Ton blog est excellent, Jean Paul.<br />
For the rest, I " emailed" West System
Ton blog est excellent, Jean Paul.<br />
For the rest, I " emailed" West System Hello
don't be affraid. Using…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-07-16:2195841:Comment:1330972015-07-16T09:16:50.464ZBlanc Jean-Paulhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BlancJeanPaul
<p>Hello</p>
<p>don't be affraid. Using epoxy is easy. The only challenge is to strictly dosing between resin and harder. For charges read for what he is using and test by yourself the quantity. See to my page in my blog archiprog.blogspot.com </p>
<p>ne soit pas effrayé. Utiliser l'epoxy est facile. Le seul défi est de doser le plus strictement possible entre la résine et le durcisseur. Pour les charges lis ce pour quoi elles sont destinées et teste par toi même les dosages. Je ne sait pas…</p>
<p>Hello</p>
<p>don't be affraid. Using epoxy is easy. The only challenge is to strictly dosing between resin and harder. For charges read for what he is using and test by yourself the quantity. See to my page in my blog archiprog.blogspot.com </p>
<p>ne soit pas effrayé. Utiliser l'epoxy est facile. Le seul défi est de doser le plus strictement possible entre la résine et le durcisseur. Pour les charges lis ce pour quoi elles sont destinées et teste par toi même les dosages. Je ne sait pas si cela peu t'aider, mais regarde sur ma page traitant de la résine sur mon blog archiprog.blogspot.com. </p>
<p>j'ai donné un peu mon retour d'expérience. </p>
<p>Tu peu avoir accès à mon blog par celui juste au dessous ( la ou il y as des voiles pince de crabe)</p>
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<p></p> You might want to clarify the…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-07-16:2195841:Comment:1328392015-07-16T07:48:44.052ZIan Bamseyhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/IanBamsey
<p>You might want to clarify the following:</p>
<p>"<span>2-It is asked for : 406A 0.275 kg Colloidal Silica and 409B 4.5kg Microspheres (for fillets) OR</span><br/><span>407B 3.5kg Low Density Filler (for fillets)."</span></p>
<p>My understanding is that microspheres are used to make fillers no for fillets, for which you use fumed silica or similar?</p>
<p>You might want to clarify the following:</p>
<p>"<span>2-It is asked for : 406A 0.275 kg Colloidal Silica and 409B 4.5kg Microspheres (for fillets) OR</span><br/><span>407B 3.5kg Low Density Filler (for fillets)."</span></p>
<p>My understanding is that microspheres are used to make fillers no for fillets, for which you use fumed silica or similar?</p> Bonjour Waka,
Well, may be, b…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2015-07-15:2195841:Comment:1328362015-07-15T23:11:03.945ZÉric Bouvéronhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Bouveron
Bonjour Waka,<br />
Well, may be, but for me it is especially, since I have never used epoxy, since I live in China, since Wharram indicates all the necesssary references and what to mix with, since I am not that smart and since I have found a West System distributor in my area, it is the more practical way to go. There are many epoxy makers or resellers there, but some seem to understand their products as much as I understand the European economuy. So West System it will be. Question is how…
Bonjour Waka,<br />
Well, may be, but for me it is especially, since I have never used epoxy, since I live in China, since Wharram indicates all the necesssary references and what to mix with, since I am not that smart and since I have found a West System distributor in my area, it is the more practical way to go. There are many epoxy makers or resellers there, but some seem to understand their products as much as I understand the European economuy. So West System it will be. Question is how much...<br />
Thanks again,<br />
Éric