Autopilot for Wharram cat - tiller or wheel? - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T13:42:42Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/autopilot-for-wharram-cat-tiller-or-wheel?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A147592&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThat makes sense. I never tri…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-12-20:2195841:Comment:1475922016-12-20T23:11:54.976ZBudget Boaterhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BudgetBoater
<p>That makes sense. I never tried it because my first two boats had self-steering, but no engines. All subsequent boats had engines, AP, and no self-steering. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>dave tomlinson said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/autopilot-for-wharram-cat-tiller-or-wheel?id=2195841%3ATopic%3A146963&page=2#2195841Comment147390"><div><p>hi bb don,t think a vane will work in no wind as it relies on a change in apparent wind to correct the boat if it…</p>
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<p>That makes sense. I never tried it because my first two boats had self-steering, but no engines. All subsequent boats had engines, AP, and no self-steering. <br/> <br/> <cite>dave tomlinson said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/autopilot-for-wharram-cat-tiller-or-wheel?id=2195841%3ATopic%3A146963&page=2#2195841Comment147390"><div><p>hi bb don,t think a vane will work in no wind as it relies on a change in apparent wind to correct the boat if it goes off course. Motoring in no wind the apparent will always be ahead so the boat could wander off in any direction and the wind vane will not correct it.</p>
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</blockquote> Thanks Björn, nice video! Goo…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-12-20:2195841:Comment:1472982016-12-20T11:40:34.230ZAndy Best-Dunkleyhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AndyBestDunkley
<p>Thanks Björn, nice video! Good to see these things in action. Of course one of the big advantages of Hanneke's design is that you can build it yourself ;-) Also, fo us, I would not want a vane mounted over the rear beam as we are often using the stern anchor or mooring buoy astern, so for us having the vane mounted on the cabin top would be prefered. I see I have some projects to work on this spring...!</p>
<p>Thanks Björn, nice video! Good to see these things in action. Of course one of the big advantages of Hanneke's design is that you can build it yourself ;-) Also, fo us, I would not want a vane mounted over the rear beam as we are often using the stern anchor or mooring buoy astern, so for us having the vane mounted on the cabin top would be prefered. I see I have some projects to work on this spring...!</p> I fitted initially a Raymarin…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-12-20:2195841:Comment:1472922016-12-20T08:09:15.733ZBjörnhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/Bjorn
I fitted initially a Raymarine Wheelpilot (smallest version) to my Tiki 38, it works very well and was pretty easy to install behind the wheel. Critical for the size of the pilot is the force you need to steer and the force that can bexerted on the wheel, on the fairly well balanced Tiki 38 this is not really an issue.<br></br>
The only sligth drawback is the power consumption, therefore a Windpilot Pacfic was added (see…
I fitted initially a Raymarine Wheelpilot (smallest version) to my Tiki 38, it works very well and was pretty easy to install behind the wheel. Critical for the size of the pilot is the force you need to steer and the force that can bexerted on the wheel, on the fairly well balanced Tiki 38 this is not really an issue.<br/>
The only sligth drawback is the power consumption, therefore a Windpilot Pacfic was added (see <a href="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/video/windpilot-steering-maughidhoo-3" target="_blank">http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/video/windpilot-steering-maughidhoo-3</a>). I opted for it against the Wharram vind vane since it is much easier to install and does not clutter up cabin roof space. Additionally, I think the servo pendulum action can bring more power on the steering. It is alot of fun sailing with it, since having it installed the WP is only used when motoring. hi bb don,t think a vane will…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-12-20:2195841:Comment:1473902016-12-20T06:50:14.516Zdave tomlinsonhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/davetomlinson
<p>hi bb don,t think a vane will work in no wind as it relies on a change in apparent wind to correct the boat if it goes off course. Motoring in no wind the apparent will always be ahead so the boat could wander off in any direction and the wind vane will not correct it.</p>
<p>hi bb don,t think a vane will work in no wind as it relies on a change in apparent wind to correct the boat if it goes off course. Motoring in no wind the apparent will always be ahead so the boat could wander off in any direction and the wind vane will not correct it.</p> Hi Andy,
Its a Simrad TP22. P…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-12-20:2195841:Comment:1472312016-12-20T01:17:58.452ZStewart Coateshttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/StewartCoates
<p>Hi Andy,</p>
<p>Its a Simrad TP22. Please send me an email when convenient and we can exchange details. I paid US$625 for it so whatever half of that is. It's new in box as they say, but not in the box as it traveled in a suitcase once. Thanks for the comments re the boat (full credit due to Dan Hardwicke the builder) and our youtube channel, I do hope ppl find it entertaining. Occasionally we will even have some content, cheers!</p>
<p>Hi Andy,</p>
<p>Its a Simrad TP22. Please send me an email when convenient and we can exchange details. I paid US$625 for it so whatever half of that is. It's new in box as they say, but not in the box as it traveled in a suitcase once. Thanks for the comments re the boat (full credit due to Dan Hardwicke the builder) and our youtube channel, I do hope ppl find it entertaining. Occasionally we will even have some content, cheers!</p> I cannot be certain, but a wi…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-12-19:2195841:Comment:1471512016-12-19T13:09:57.130ZBudget Boaterhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BudgetBoater
<p>I cannot be certain, but a wind vane should still be able to steer in no wind conditions. This is because apparent wind is generated by motoring. It is when you have 4-7 knots of wind from astern that that one needs an auto pilot, because the apparent wind drops to zero while motoring away from the wind.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Andy Best-Dunkley said:…</cite></p>
<p>I cannot be certain, but a wind vane should still be able to steer in no wind conditions. This is because apparent wind is generated by motoring. It is when you have 4-7 knots of wind from astern that that one needs an auto pilot, because the apparent wind drops to zero while motoring away from the wind.<br/> <br/> <cite>Andy Best-Dunkley said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/autopilot-for-wharram-cat-tiller-or-wheel?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A147082&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2195841Comment147085"><div><p>Stewart - your boat looks beautiful, and thanks for the video, very nice to see these things in action and clearly presented - I think you'll have a hit series before long! ;-) Seems I'll have to order those plans from Hanneke after all! But my original "problem" isn't solved by this, we need the autopilot for motoring in flat calm conditions. How much is the B&G?!</p>
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</blockquote> Certainly interested and no r…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-12-19:2195841:Comment:1472892016-12-19T11:28:58.979ZAndy Best-Dunkleyhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AndyBestDunkley
<p>Certainly interested and no rush - boat is laid up till May. I presume B&G is same as Simrad? Which model?</p>
<p>BTW your website is really nice, looking forward to seeing more photos! And you seem to be living the James Wharram philosophy with an all female crew ;-p From Mongolia....had they even seen the sea or ocean before? Must be an amazing experience for all!</p>
<p>Certainly interested and no rush - boat is laid up till May. I presume B&G is same as Simrad? Which model?</p>
<p>BTW your website is really nice, looking forward to seeing more photos! And you seem to be living the James Wharram philosophy with an all female crew ;-p From Mongolia....had they even seen the sea or ocean before? Must be an amazing experience for all!</p> thanks Andy, happy to part wi…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-12-19:2195841:Comment:1471502016-12-19T10:11:41.031ZStewart Coateshttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/StewartCoates
thanks Andy, happy to part with it for half new price plus postage to you. can you wait until late Jan? that's when I return to LF.
thanks Andy, happy to part with it for half new price plus postage to you. can you wait until late Jan? that's when I return to LF. Stewart - your boat looks bea…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-12-19:2195841:Comment:1470852016-12-19T09:59:37.840ZAndy Best-Dunkleyhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AndyBestDunkley
<p>Stewart - your boat looks beautiful, and thanks for the video, very nice to see these things in action and clearly presented - I think you'll have a hit series before long! ;-) Seems I'll have to order those plans from Hanneke after all! But my original "problem" isn't solved by this, we need the autopilot for motoring in flat calm conditions. How much is the B&G?!</p>
<p>Stewart - your boat looks beautiful, and thanks for the video, very nice to see these things in action and clearly presented - I think you'll have a hit series before long! ;-) Seems I'll have to order those plans from Hanneke after all! But my original "problem" isn't solved by this, we need the autopilot for motoring in flat calm conditions. How much is the B&G?!</p> Hi Andy,
On the Tiki 38 Lucky…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2016-12-19:2195841:Comment:1470822016-12-19T08:05:42.652ZStewart Coateshttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/StewartCoates
<p>Hi Andy,</p>
<p>On the Tiki 38 Luckyfish we have the dual vane-steering units as designed by Hanneke. I just posted a video here showing them in use.</p>
<p>I also bought a tiller pilot and had planned to attach it to the pendulum arm as Budget Boater suggests - we had a 6,000 mile passage ahead of us and I wanted to have a backup in case the vane couldn't steer us dead flat off. It turned out I needn't have worried. The vane was completely adequate even in light airs dead downwind, say down…</p>
<p>Hi Andy,</p>
<p>On the Tiki 38 Luckyfish we have the dual vane-steering units as designed by Hanneke. I just posted a video here showing them in use.</p>
<p>I also bought a tiller pilot and had planned to attach it to the pendulum arm as Budget Boater suggests - we had a 6,000 mile passage ahead of us and I wanted to have a backup in case the vane couldn't steer us dead flat off. It turned out I needn't have worried. The vane was completely adequate even in light airs dead downwind, say down to 7 or 8 knots true. Broad reaching even lighter.</p>
<p>I also found the "windward" vane could steer by the lee by 30 degrees or so before needing to switch over.</p>
<p>Anyone want to buy a new B&G tiller pilot?</p>