46' Wharram Tiki in Grenada - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-28T13:54:16Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/46-wharram-tiki-in-grenada?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A112082&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWe were ready to make a deal,…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-01-17:2195841:Comment:1125942014-01-17T02:31:57.911ZChip Rothenbergerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/ChipR
We were ready to make a deal, but unfortunately a couple who looked at her three months back finally decided to make an offer. Coincidentally just after this whole chat began. Sometimes forums like these can work for you, and sometimes against you. We figured all of this talk got them motivated, but we also figure since she is on her 3rd owner we may ultimately be the fifth owner in a year or two.<br />
Thanks to everyone for their input, we really appreciate everyone's advice and info.<br />
Best of luck…
We were ready to make a deal, but unfortunately a couple who looked at her three months back finally decided to make an offer. Coincidentally just after this whole chat began. Sometimes forums like these can work for you, and sometimes against you. We figured all of this talk got them motivated, but we also figure since she is on her 3rd owner we may ultimately be the fifth owner in a year or two.<br />
Thanks to everyone for their input, we really appreciate everyone's advice and info.<br />
Best of luck Pablo, I hope the deal goes through, but if not please let me know ASAP.<br />
Happy Sailing to all, may the wind always be at your back,<br />
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Chip<br/>
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<cite>Penn D said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/46-wharram-tiki-in-grenada?commentId=2195841%3AComment%3A112512&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2195841Comment112512"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I sailed from Caracou to Grenada on Follower a few years ago. She is an awesome boat.</p>
<p>It is my belief you will break before she does. If I wanted a boat to sail around the world and had the funds I would not hesitate. If you factor in building time and cost...she is a bargain. If it was me buying her I would be changing the name, something not right about it, some new sails and away I go.</p>
<p>I say it again... she needs someone to love her a long time. Go for it, "or not". <Disclaimer :-P</p>
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</blockquote> I sailed from Caracou to Gren…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-01-17:2195841:Comment:1125122014-01-17T02:13:17.490ZPenn Dhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/PennD
<p>I sailed from Caracou to Grenada on Follower a few years ago. She is an awesome boat.</p>
<p>It is my belief you will break before she does. If I wanted a boat to sail around the world and had the funds I would not hesitate. If you factor in building time and cost...she is a bargain. If it was me buying her I would be changing the name, something not right about it, some new sails and away I go.</p>
<p>I say it again... she needs someone to love her a long time. Go for it, "or not".…</p>
<p>I sailed from Caracou to Grenada on Follower a few years ago. She is an awesome boat.</p>
<p>It is my belief you will break before she does. If I wanted a boat to sail around the world and had the funds I would not hesitate. If you factor in building time and cost...she is a bargain. If it was me buying her I would be changing the name, something not right about it, some new sails and away I go.</p>
<p>I say it again... she needs someone to love her a long time. Go for it, "or not". <Disclaimer :-P</p> Pablo and Agustina,
If you t…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-01-17:2195841:Comment:1125932014-01-17T00:23:27.764ZRusty Gesnerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RustyGesner
<p>Pablo and Agustina,</p>
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<p>If you take Follower to Europe in April, is there any chance you may be able to time the trip to stop by the Wharram Rendezvous in the Florida Keys in May?</p>
<p><a href="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/46-wharram-tiki-in-grenada" target="_blank">http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/46-wharram-tiki-in-grenada</a></p>
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<p>Pablo and Agustina,</p>
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<p>If you take Follower to Europe in April, is there any chance you may be able to time the trip to stop by the Wharram Rendezvous in the Florida Keys in May?</p>
<p><a href="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/46-wharram-tiki-in-grenada" target="_blank">http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topics/46-wharram-tiki-in-grenada</a></p>
<p></p> Friends of ours who happened…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-01-17:2195841:Comment:1124072014-01-17T00:18:03.905ZRusty Gesnerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RustyGesner
<p>Friends of ours who happened to be in Grenada took these photos and short videos of Follower:</p>
<p><a href="https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=4BD18203AA591322!631&authkey=!AL1_BqD-jQlEVRU&ithint=folder%2c.JPG">https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=4BD18203AA591322!631&authkey=!AL1_BqD-jQlEVRU&ithint=folder%2c.JPG…</a></p>
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<p>Friends of ours who happened to be in Grenada took these photos and short videos of Follower:</p>
<p><a href="https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=4BD18203AA591322!631&authkey=!AL1_BqD-jQlEVRU&ithint=folder%2c.JPG">https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=4BD18203AA591322!631&authkey=!AL1_BqD-jQlEVRU&ithint=folder%2c.JPG</a></p>
<p><a href="https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=4BD18203AA591322!679&authkey=!ANwHny_tiMqUSDA&ithint=folder%2c.AVI">https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=4BD18203AA591322!679&authkey=!ANwHny_tiMqUSDA&ithint=folder%2c.AVI</a></p>
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<p>Joachim's blog of his time with Follower is here (it is in German, and a bit rough but understandable with Google's Translate: <a style="font: small/normal arial; color: #1155cc; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; background-color: #ffffff; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" href="http://www.follower-online.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=54" target="_blank">http://www.follower-online.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=54</a></p>
<p>From reading it, he seems to have taken good care of her.</p>
<p>Joachim said he sold because his wife did not like bluewater cruising.</p>
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<p>I wish we could buy Follower, but we're just not quite able yet. </p>
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<p> - Rusty</p>
<p></p> Might I suggest (especially i…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-01-15:2195841:Comment:1123972014-01-15T11:33:38.035ZBudget Boaterhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/BudgetBoater
<p>Might I suggest (especially in the event that any pending deals fall through) that you post your Wharram Tiki 46 for sale here on Wharram Builders.</p>
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<p>You can post as many pictures as you like, videos, details, and prices.</p>
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<p>Best of all...........IT IS FREE!!</p>
<p>Might I suggest (especially in the event that any pending deals fall through) that you post your Wharram Tiki 46 for sale here on Wharram Builders.</p>
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<p>You can post as many pictures as you like, videos, details, and prices.</p>
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<p>Best of all...........IT IS FREE!!</p> Chip R, you already have my e…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-01-13:2195841:Comment:1120822014-01-13T02:49:32.934ZAgustina Comedihttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AgustinaComedi
<p>Chip R, you already have my e mail and skype name, if you are intrested on follower you know how to contact me.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Pablo</p>
<p>Chip R, you already have my e mail and skype name, if you are intrested on follower you know how to contact me.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Pablo</p> As evidence Pablo here is a c…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-01-13:2195841:Comment:1123492014-01-13T01:13:29.301ZChip Rothenbergerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/ChipR
As evidence Pablo here is a clipping from the email your broker sent to us. I have deleted here name and info because it is not my business to share that information, but this is what she asked of us.<br></br>
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As I told you the owner Pablo Solarz is living in Argentina and need to buy an expensive flight to Grenada.<br></br>
So we should be agree about the price at first. Also we need to make an purchase and sale agreement with a deposit payment on my escrow account.<br></br>
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So you tell me…
As evidence Pablo here is a clipping from the email your broker sent to us. I have deleted here name and info because it is not my business to share that information, but this is what she asked of us.<br/>
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As I told you the owner Pablo Solarz is living in Argentina and need to buy an expensive flight to Grenada.<br/>
So we should be agree about the price at first. Also we need to make an purchase and sale agreement with a deposit payment on my escrow account.<br/>
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So you tell me what that means. Now she is back pedaling, but when it comes to purchases like this I take the language very seriously.<br/>
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<cite>Chip R said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/comment/show?id=2195841%3AComment%3A112262&xn_out=json&firstPage=1&lastPage=1&xg_token=08906e89a41c0acf9d41b33abc7480aa&_=1389554690405#2195841Comment112262"><div>Please let me clarify what has been going on. I am the other party that is interested in buying follower. The problem is not with Pablo and Agostina, but rather their broker whom shall remain nameless. Pablo and Agostina seem to be very lovely honest people. That said, the ad for the vessel appeared in more than one place with two different prices, and the infomation was all inaccurate, listing her as a monohull and as having two Diesel engines. Believe it or not a lot of scams go on via the internet, and the number one scam is getting suckers to wire funds internationally for things that don't even exist. Given the discrepancies, and then being asked for a deposit to see the boat sounded ridiculous. We were asked to enter into a binding sales agreement without ever seeing the boat, and in addition provide a deposit, supposedly since the owner would have to travel to show it to us. It's not our problem that the owner keeps the boat a great distance from their home. That would be akin to me offering a home for sale, but since I didn't live near the home I would want the potential buyer to pay for my airfare to show them the home. Furthermore there are supposedly trusted individuals living on the boat, so the fact is it's not necessary for the owner to be their at all. We would also be incurring an expense to go down to see the vessel, that's just the cost of looking at a boat thousands of miles away. The whole thing was just a little suspicious and when I questioned the broker on this they took personal offense rather than simply initiating a Skype call with someone on the boat to verify she actually exists. I made an offer site unseen, albeit low, and even offered a $10,000 fully refundable deposit for us to be allowed to take her for a sea trial. We all know this vessel has changed owners many times in the short time since she was built, and to me that always throws up a red flag. I'm not interested in buying someone else's problem.<br/> <br/> So in conclusion, Pablo and Agostina we look forward to working with you directly to come to an agreement on how we can make this deal happen. We are not interested in working with your broker, and as I told her if she had the listing for my boat and didn't get the listing 100% correct that would just tell me she is only interested in the commission and not in doing the hard work it takes to make all parties feel comfortable with the deal. All in all I don't use brokers anymore for anything because we all have access to the information that use to be exclusive to them, or at least very difficult to obtain. Sites like this are a perfect example of that.<br/>
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Pablo and Agostina please let us know as soon as your listing with current broker expires and we would be happy to come see wherever she may be, and we hope to come to an agreement. We think she is a beautiful vessel and has everything we've been looking for for our circumnavigation. We look forward to working with you.<br/>
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Sincerely,<br/>
<br/>
Chip R</div>
</blockquote> Hello Chip, I´m Pablo Followe…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-01-12:2195841:Comment:1122652014-01-12T19:41:05.133ZAgustina Comedihttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AgustinaComedi
<p>Hello Chip, I´m Pablo Follower´s owner. When ever you want we can talk by mail solarzpablo@gmail.com or skype: Pablosolarz, so we end up with all this confusions. </p>
<p>Hope to hear from you,</p>
<p>best.</p>
<p></p>
<p>Pablo</p>
<p>Hello Chip, I´m Pablo Follower´s owner. When ever you want we can talk by mail solarzpablo@gmail.com or skype: Pablosolarz, so we end up with all this confusions. </p>
<p>Hope to hear from you,</p>
<p>best.</p>
<p></p>
<p>Pablo</p> Please let me clarify what ha…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-01-12:2195841:Comment:1122622014-01-12T19:24:48.474ZChip Rothenbergerhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/ChipR
Please let me clarify what has been going on. I am the other party that is interested in buying follower. The problem is not with Pablo and Agostina, but rather their broker whom shall remain nameless. Pablo and Agostina seem to be very lovely honest people. That said, the ad for the vessel appeared in more than one place with two different prices, and the infomation was all inaccurate, listing her as a monohull and as having two Diesel engines. Believe it or not a lot of scams go on via the…
Please let me clarify what has been going on. I am the other party that is interested in buying follower. The problem is not with Pablo and Agostina, but rather their broker whom shall remain nameless. Pablo and Agostina seem to be very lovely honest people. That said, the ad for the vessel appeared in more than one place with two different prices, and the infomation was all inaccurate, listing her as a monohull and as having two Diesel engines. Believe it or not a lot of scams go on via the internet, and the number one scam is getting suckers to wire funds internationally for things that don't even exist. Given the discrepancies, and then being asked for a deposit to see the boat sounded ridiculous. We were asked to enter into a binding sales agreement without ever seeing the boat, and in addition provide a deposit, supposedly since the owner would have to travel to show it to us. It's not our problem that the owner keeps the boat a great distance from their home. That would be akin to me offering a home for sale, but since I didn't live near the home I would want the potential buyer to pay for my airfare to show them the home. Furthermore there are supposedly trusted individuals living on the boat, so the fact is it's not necessary for the owner to be their at all. We would also be incurring an expense to go down to see the vessel, that's just the cost of looking at a boat thousands of miles away. The whole thing was just a little suspicious and when I questioned the broker on this they took personal offense rather than simply initiating a Skype call with someone on the boat to verify she actually exists. I made an offer site unseen, albeit low, and even offered a $10,000 fully refundable deposit for us to be allowed to take her for a sea trial. We all know this vessel has changed owners many times in the short time since she was built, and to me that always throws up a red flag. I'm not interested in buying someone else's problem.<br/>
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So in conclusion, Pablo and Agostina we look forward to working with you directly to come to an agreement on how we can make this deal happen. We are not interested in working with your broker, and as I told her if she had the listing for my boat and didn't get the listing 100% correct that would just tell me she is only interested in the commission and not in doing the hard work it takes to make all parties feel comfortable with the deal. All in all I don't use brokers anymore for anything because we all have access to the information that use to be exclusive to them, or at least very difficult to obtain. Sites like this are a perfect example of that.<br/>
<br/>
Pablo and Agostina please let us know as soon as your listing with current broker expires and we would be happy to come see wherever she may be, and we hope to come to an agreement. We think she is a beautiful vessel and has everything we've been looking for for our circumnavigation. We look forward to working with you.<br/>
<br/>
Sincerely,<br/>
<br/>
Chip R That is an absolute misunders…tag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2014-01-12:2195841:Comment:1120782014-01-12T15:51:43.247ZAgustina Comedihttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AgustinaComedi
<p>That is an absolute misunderstanding, completly ridiculos. No deposit to see the boat. Anyone is welcome to see her and check it, two very nice people (Nikola and Sylvie) are encharged of the boat and pleased to show her any time. We just ask for a price agreement and a refundable deposit to make a sea trial, that is because we need to fly there from Argentina, so it´s important that is a serious buyer, We did the same for the previous owners that were german. </p>
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<p>That is an absolute misunderstanding, completly ridiculos. No deposit to see the boat. Anyone is welcome to see her and check it, two very nice people (Nikola and Sylvie) are encharged of the boat and pleased to show her any time. We just ask for a price agreement and a refundable deposit to make a sea trial, that is because we need to fly there from Argentina, so it´s important that is a serious buyer, We did the same for the previous owners that were german. </p>
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