All Discussions Tagged 'paint' - Wharram Builders and Friends2024-03-29T05:40:36Zhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/forum/topic/listForTag?tag=paint&feed=yes&xn_auth=noTwo component painttag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2017-04-01:2195841:Topic:1503272017-04-01T16:10:19.344ZRod McLarenhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/RodMcLaren
<p>While I wait for the Mana "cat kit" to arrive I have been spending considerable time on the Forum, picking up ideas and techniques that will be useful once construction begins. What a great encyclopedia of knowledge and experience on this Forum! Wow!</p>
<p>I have not been able to find a thread dealing specifically with two component paints - likes, dislikes, pros, cons, brands, etc. When I built my Tiki 21 I used the best exterior acrylic house paint that I sold in own hardware store for…</p>
<p>While I wait for the Mana "cat kit" to arrive I have been spending considerable time on the Forum, picking up ideas and techniques that will be useful once construction begins. What a great encyclopedia of knowledge and experience on this Forum! Wow!</p>
<p>I have not been able to find a thread dealing specifically with two component paints - likes, dislikes, pros, cons, brands, etc. When I built my Tiki 21 I used the best exterior acrylic house paint that I sold in own hardware store for above waterline and it lasted quite well. This time around, even though the cost will be considerably higher, I want to reduce maintenance and thus I am leaning towards a two component paint. What advice do other builder's have? What brands are preferred? Are some easier/safer to work with than others? Has anyone had experience with System3? What about bottom coatings? I will be sailing in fresh water, moored for most of the summer but trailering at times.</p> Good oil based polyurethane paint available in Georgia, USAtag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-10-25:2195841:Topic:1084682013-10-25T12:41:57.260ZAnn and Neville Clementhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AnnandNevilleClement922
<p>Many years ago, I bought some Glidden paint which was OIL BASED POLYURETHANE porch and deck paint intended to be used outdoors and exposed to heat and cold, wet and dry, and it all sounded a bit boatish to me. At the then price of 20 US dollars a gallon, I decided to try it on Peace IV's decks. It worded a whole lot better than the paint I bought at the marine store back in Britain in 2002 just before we launched which was also polyurethane and extremely expensive. So after that first…</p>
<p>Many years ago, I bought some Glidden paint which was OIL BASED POLYURETHANE porch and deck paint intended to be used outdoors and exposed to heat and cold, wet and dry, and it all sounded a bit boatish to me. At the then price of 20 US dollars a gallon, I decided to try it on Peace IV's decks. It worded a whole lot better than the paint I bought at the marine store back in Britain in 2002 just before we launched which was also polyurethane and extremely expensive. So after that first test area proved up for us, we did all the decks and topsides on Peace with Glidden oil based polyurethane porch and deck paint. And when repainting was needed four years ago, we repainted with it again were again delighted with the long lasting and shiny appearance and ease of using this paint. It has stood up to a whole lot of foot traffic here on Peace because this is a much visited party boat and we do sail a lot. </p>
<p>After four years since the last repaint, it could go another year, but we wanted to repaint this year and were distressed when we could not find any more of the oil based polyurethane Glidden paint in Rhode Island. We had some old cans, but did not want to use them for the topsides and we were out of the deck paint which we had used with Behr non skid additive. It works wonderfully well and is not too scratchy when Nev is out there sunning himself like a happy lizard. We looked all over New England for the oil based polyurethane paint by Glidden and we looked in Virginia, but I am not the most tech savvy person on the block, so I have to admit that I did not look on line. Everyone had been telling me that the oil based polyurethane paint was no longer being made because of new regulations. I had sadly given up pretty much and was considering spending a whole lot of money to buy a poorer product at the marine store. Then this am a friend challenged me to look on line. BINGO!</p>
<p>Finally I discovered (confirmed by telephone call) that in the state of Georgia, one can still buy gallons of the oil based polyurethane paint mixed to all the many Glidden colors or to any other color you care to have them match for you, and we are headed for Georgia now on our way south in Peace. I intend to buy many gallons of this paint in the lovely dark brown we use for the bimini so it will not glare at us when sailing at night, and in the light blue/gray color for the decks, and in the creamy color for the topsides. I already got several cans of Cetol for the deck slats and bright work.</p>
<p>Nev had already committed to sanding the deck slats so I can Cetol them, and today he agreed to sand the deck and cockpit and all the deck boxes so I can paint them too. Looks like this winter in the Bahamas will be partly spent in painting clothes. Next summer we will drive Peace onto the beach again in Cape Cod where there are 11 foot tides and we can paint the topsides also. Nev has wonderful sanders and does not mind sanding and I have no objection to painting. It works out fine because I cannot sand due to asthma and he cannot paint due to skin sensitivity. Together we make one useful person.</p>
<p>Had I not tried it on our own boat, I might not trust using paint designed for porches and decks, but actually those are outdoor structures and so is the boat. Certainly this is not under water paint, and we are putting it on top of good epoxy foundation sanded and undercoated and the first paint just before launch was two part so it is a careful lay up. This Glidden paint has proven itself in the Bahamas and in New England on our live aboard boat's annual migrations with many visitors and many parties and many miles of sailing in all weathers. At today's cost of around 25 dollars a gallon, it is good paint and at a good price too. It goes on well and gets five stars from us. I think repainting a boat every 4 or 5 years is not a bad practice in any case. The sanding and then painting brings you close so the boat gets a good inspection as the work progresses.</p>
<p>Ann and Nev</p>
<p> </p> bottom painting without haul out in marinatag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-08-01:2195841:Topic:1044092013-08-01T07:12:47.189ZAnn and Neville Clementhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/AnnandNevilleClement922
<p>We did it! We painted the bottom of our Tiki 46, Peace, without expensive haul out at a marina. We did it for free on the beach! Here is how we did it:</p>
<p>We sailed to the tip of Cape Cod where there is an 11 foot tide following the full moon. We studied the tide tables carefully and noticed that if we beached Peace one hour after high water, we could be sure of getting her off the beach with the following high tide. So now we knew the "when" part and only needed to decide exactly…</p>
<p>We did it! We painted the bottom of our Tiki 46, Peace, without expensive haul out at a marina. We did it for free on the beach! Here is how we did it:</p>
<p>We sailed to the tip of Cape Cod where there is an 11 foot tide following the full moon. We studied the tide tables carefully and noticed that if we beached Peace one hour after high water, we could be sure of getting her off the beach with the following high tide. So now we knew the "when" part and only needed to decide exactly 'where". Weather made that decision so with a north wind we selected a protected shore from the mild wind and we did not mind a little rain for the scrubbing part of our work. We saw a part of the beach the day before was free of rocks and had good sand and we lined up our visual reminders so we could see it at high water in the early hours of the morning.</p>
<p>Peace went on the fairly steep area at the top of the beach easily and I kept her in position using the engines so her bows were touching. The water went down fast and the engines were off and our friend John James and I went over the bows climbing down to the beach using the bower anchor as a laddar. Nev was still not too agile yet post knee surgeries over the past year. We needed him on deck to hand us stuff anyway. </p>
<p>John and I got wet to our waists using scrub brushes on the green and brown scum that had formed along the waterline where wavelets keep the topsides paint damp. We decided to raise the antifoul to one inch above the chine to eliminate that cleaning chore once and for all. So we scrubbed using BBQ pads and did not mind scratching the topsides paint a bit in the process because it would need to be sanded for antifoul to go there anyway. We used 8 inch stainless steel sheet rock scrapers which are like huge putty knives and they really clean the hull from any growth. A few barnacles were easily and cleanly shifted with just one sweep of the blades along with the thin layer of goo that forms on antifoul . We have painted Peace before a few times after hauling out at marinas so we removed a lot of the old black antifoul and saw mostly last time's red paint and a bit of the time before's blue paint. In only a couple of places did we see the barrior coat of copper bot that was put on from new. It is still in great shape. Last thing before "quitting time" John and I dragged a big Fortress 37 anchor with all chain out the full 200 feet between the hulls and into what would soon be deep water. This would help us keep Peace under control when we backed off the beach. There was a side wind we worried about a little. </p>
<p>To be honest, we were extremely tired after scraping the bottoms and cleaning off all the waterline scum, but the boat looked great and we got Peace off the beach easily, went to anchor, and rested all that afternoon and were grateful for the stormy weather next day so we could stay in bed and rest.</p>
<p>Next came painting and we selected a different beach this time because we had a wind shift. Cape Cod is a high vacation area and the beaches are full of holiday makers from all over the country and the world so we wondered what folks would think of us doing our boat work right in the middle of their vacations...? Well, they were amused and interested and came around with their kids and walking the dog and left their beach towels and kept us company. One guy even took up a brush! First we gave the boat a fresh water rinse and let her dry. It was humid so we ended up wiping her down with an old shirt which even came clean in the wash! John put the tape on quickly and neatly and I got out the rollers while he sanded where the waterline was being raised. I used a dairy box as a seat while I crouched down to do the bottom and shifted the seat often as I went around the two hulls. John used a brush along the water line but my roller did quite well there also because we used two inch tape. We had dry paint before the water came back but we were totally exhausted by then. We are not 26 anymore! I am 70 and felt like 90! But the boat looked great and that gave me a lift.</p>
<p>Next time Nev will have built a mini cradle shape so we can use a ten ton jack set on a ply stand on the sand and he can lift one bow and one stern and place it on blocks so we can get the very bottoms which were in the sand and could not be reached. I think doing only one hull per day would be better at my age next time too. And we will select less humid weather, warmer weather, and I will wear sneakers instead of clogs which allowed sand inside so I got sand burns on my feet as I worked. Sneakers with sox will not let in much sand and will protect the feet from shells and glass on the beach which can cut and hurt a lot.</p>
<p>What does not hurt is the cost of doing boat work this way. There was no marina fee. We got our paint last year hoping to have done the work last year too, but family emergency and Nev's knee operations made that impossible. This is less worry and I think it is easier on the boat too. We could have used a garden sprayer for the fresh water rinse too. We use ablative paint so we did not need to sand that. We just use a pressure washer in the marina but the scrapers are enough for antifoul paint if you use ablative paint each time. Not sanding meant we did not leave toxic sanding dust on the beach and did not need to use electric sanders on the wet beach either.</p>
<p>By the way, one coat of ablative antifoul for a Tiki 46 takes 2.5 gallons of paint. Next time there will be no green scum to wash off so that will make the job lots easier. Lemon juice cleans off any tannin stains from the lealves in the rivers we travel. Rinse well after sponging on the lemon juice and bottled juice is cheap and good. Makes good lemonade too with some sugar and lots of water. </p>
<p>With any luck, we will never have another marina bill again. We can do this yearly if we want. Might even get two coats on (that lasts more than 2 years) if we do one hull at a time in drying warm weather. But one hull at a time, sneakers, and those sheetrock blades (like large butty knives) will make all the difference. I am still strong enough for that.</p>
<p>Try it. It works fine. </p>
<p>Ann and Nev</p> Logotag:wharrambuilders.ning.com,2013-02-20:2195841:Topic:951472013-02-20T11:48:51.398ZGalway Bayhttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/GalwayBay
<p>I would like to put the Wharram logo on my mainsail. One suggestion was to use artist's acrylic paint. I could experiment on a sailbag first I suppose !! Any suggestions ? Also for signwriting name on boat [once I make up my mind !] is this paint hardwearing ? Thanks.</p>
<p>I would like to put the Wharram logo on my mainsail. One suggestion was to use artist's acrylic paint. I could experiment on a sailbag first I suppose !! Any suggestions ? Also for signwriting name on boat [once I make up my mind !] is this paint hardwearing ? Thanks.</p>